Monday, February 05, 2018

Well, if it could not be the Seahawks...

...the Eagles are okay, then.
 
 
Some records were set. Most yards in the SB. Foles was the first QB to catch a TD pass. Probably more.
 
Our most gracious hostess and family are no doubt taken up in celebration tonight, and our hearty congrats to them and the Eagles. Now, what's next. Ah, the Flyers and the Stanley Cup, I guess.
 
And productivity in Philly tomorrow; waaaay down. Super Sick Monday, I hear it is called.
 
And in Boston, well, just another hangover Monday, but on afterburners, I suppose.
 
I was at a local pub full of "people cheering for the Eagles;" hard to say really Eagles "fans." But there was one young lady with a Pats shirt, with "Brady" across the back, who was just suffering through most of the game. the end was bad. but, we all cheered her, bought her some drinks, and when I left she was laughing it up with some folks.
Well, next year, go Hawks!

69 comments:

Haverwilde said...

Good to have you posting Rickvid--not that I give a Feathered Farling for Feetball. (Although, I do enjoy the occasional college fart-about.)

Dan Patterson said...

Uhhh...Dood. Where has everyone been hiding?

censored said...


You shouldn't make assumptions about Boston and hangovers...

Haverwilde said...

Oh Blonde Sagacity, where are you.
Censored has been censored.
Nate is apparently dead.
The Trump is trumping, most things thankfully.
The Left is decaying, thankfully.
The spirit of Liberalism is alive and well, but only the conservatives honor its value.
Those that call themselves 'liberal' are just authoritarian Socialist fascist.
There is hope for change, but Obama fucked-up both those words and their meaning.
Who could of predicted that an asshole like Trump, could bring hope to America, I certainly didn't. MAGA.

censored said...


MAGA! Watched a special on Frontline about innocent 15 yr. olds getting locked up and deported. Meanwhile, more angry white kids/men continue to go on senseless shooting sprees.

Maybe Democrats should play the video and audio that terrified CHILDREN took yesterday -- on the House and Senate Floors.

Like Obama said recently on David Letterman's new show: People that watch and listen to FOX and Sean Hannity (Trumps new advisor) are living on a different planet.

LOL about Amarosa: We should be very, very afraid of Trump..those of us with brains are...

btw, Trump is riding on Obama's economy, ya'll must realize that.

censored said...


I'm wondering if the pre boxed food might benefit our obese POTUS in someway..he might lose some weight if he got off McDonalds and KFC.

We went from the most adorable and intelligent to the lowest life ever to occupy the WH. How embarrassing..

CrabbyOld Man said...

Haverwilde, I thought this to be a really great bumper sticker:

"Obama lied to us a lot. Eloquently. Trump tells us the truth a lot. Crudely. What is your preference?"

I'd think that "embarrassing" is a word that an idiot like Senseless would avoid at all costs.

censored said...


Obama didn't pay 130k to silence Stormi --um, we're now about to hear how revolting DT is from her.

It just kills ya'll that Obama and Michelle love one another and that the orange dumpster has had multiple wives and porn stars.

Melinias friend was paid 27 million -- as her "advisor" ah, for what, exactly?

DT raised 100 million for his lame inauguration that cost about 10 cents, did he even have a ball? Can't remember, I mean the streets were empty, I do remember that lol.

--and how many people (frauds) cannot get clearance in this mafia run admin..including JARED. The list is endless with the crimes Crabs, so stop pretending that Trump is above anyone.

The horrible Bush years gave us the amazing Barack Obama- so what miracle can we expect after this bunch! Cannot wait!

Speaking of liars, Trump quietly overturned a law so the hypocrite (today, that speech, unbearable with his lies) wants the mentally ill to have easier access to assault weapons. Obama come back, save us from this hell!

CrabbyOldMan said...

I agree that Jug Ears is "amazing".
I'd say that you and your ilk are almost as "amazing".

censored said...


Also *AmAzInG* -- that you defend your criminal POTUS that helped a foreign government destroy our democracy, actually insisted on it: hacking of the DNC emails..

So yeah, collusion, big time.

Trump also took 30 million from the NRA, your party has all been paid off with blood money.

Boy, ya'll just bought right into the whole Russia thing, they sure knew they could play dumb Americans like you. Of course Putin didn't want Hillary! She has a brain and isn't his "puppet." LOL

Melenia continues to ignore her husband, riding on separate airplanes, wow. Just how many affairs/porn stars did Trump have and why is she surprised?!

Dog Days Kennel said...

Been away a long time .... Who is Rickvid? What happened to the Sagacious one?

~ Supertek

Ashton said...

Thanks for sharing this great post.

CrabbyOldMan said...

I am very glad to see that there is still some life here!

Haverwilde said...

Crabby, No life, just hope for reincarnation. I miss the sage blond et. al. Well, maybe not the Anony-mouse, but idiots are everywhere these days, particularly on the left.

Let's build a fire under Rickvid and get him to post something again.

BUILD THE GODDAMN WALL. or,
CAN WE START SHOOTING THE BASTARDS YET?
or something more inflammatory.

Come on Rickvid, or Blond Sage................POST!

Gordon said...

. The following arguments no longer are valid in support of the Republican party,

The deficit argument - gone
The law and order argument - gone
the morality argument - gone
the military argument - gone
the world leadership role - gone

the party can no longer govern

CrabbyOldMan said...

Somebody help me. I don't understand Gordon's post.

Haverwilde said...

Uh Crabby, Any-mouse by any other name is still an idiot. Gordon blathers. There is a faction of the Republicans that are almost as stupid as Gordon. They are part of the great D.C. swamp.
I didn't want Trump as President, and just like Reagan, I am greatly pleased that he won.
He has glaring faults, and he is the greatest president of my lifetime (of 70+ years.)
Trump 2020. Make the Democrats Weep Again!

Nate said...

It is so sad that the modern Republican party is so tribalized that all they care about is making the Democrats cry. I fear for the Republic.

Haverwilde said...

Hi Nate. Long time.
For the record, I am not a republican, nor a conservative. I am a 1960s Liberal. Too bad you and all your ilk gave up everything that makes up liberalism, instead went total leftest anti-liberty, anti-American, and fascist.
As a liberal, I detest everything that the new Left stands for. So yes, I pray for tears on the part of the left. The alternative is destruction of everything I hold dear.

CrabbyOldMan said...

Haverwilde, as long as there are stupid and gullible people there will be leftists.
I contend that the left consists of a core of nasty, vicious sociopaths who manipulate an army of useful fools.
If you doubt this, go back an read all the drivel Enemous, Nite and their ilk have posted over the years. Arguing with them is a waste of time. They are not persuaded by facts and logic. They are driven by faith.

Haverwilde said...

Crabby, Yah, I know that. Some times I just have to argue to get it out of my system.

Can you belief the bat-shit craziness that the the Party of Demon possession have gone to? 'Green' idiocy, infanticide, wanting to spend 150 trillion to solve a non-existent problem... etc........

I am reminded of the Claire Wolfe quote: "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." Maybe it's not "not too early" anymore."

Nate said...

Lets talk about what the left really wants. Medicare for all, affordable higher education and environmentally responsible policies. Could you explain for an ignoramus like myself how these are fascist policies?

Haverwilde said...

Nate:
* Weaponizing the FBI and CIA and DOJ to attack Republicans and to protect democrats.
* Weaponizing the IRS to delay and deny conservative organizations and individuals.
* Dehumanizing society through late term abortions/infanticide.
* Funding, propagandizing, making hysterical claims while promoting faulty science in an effort to damage free enterprise and promote Socialism.
* Destroying the 'Rule of Law' by creating a protected class of people, all of whom are leftists.
* Opening the boarders to illegals and facilitating their voting as a means of maintaining power.
* Attacking the constitutional guarantees that protect the minority from the majority: attacks on the freedom of speech, attacks on the electoral college, attacks on 2nd amendment.
* The use of the leftist "brown shirts" (the AntiFa, and the Black Panthers) to attack opposition folks.
* The coordination of efforts between the Democrats, the Cadre of Billionaires, and the leftist media, to fight any opposing views.

CrabbyOldMan said...

I believe it was Socrates who said that it is necessary to first define the terms BEFORE starting a discussion. This is what we had to do in high school(1958-62)debate.
The left is very loath to do so, because the left's stock in trade is lofty sounding ideals that avoid the inconvenient details, particularly the costs.
How does Nit define "responsible" and "affordable"?
What exactly does Nit think "medicare for all" means, and, presumably since the ratio of those paying in to those collecting would have to change beyond recognition, who is going to pick up the tab?
I paid into Medicare from the time I was in my twenties until I was 65, so I have been getting benefits for ten years after having paid for 40 years without getting anything.
Think Nit, think for Christ sake!

Nate said...

Lets tackle these one by one:
* Weaponizing the FBI and CIA and DOJ to attack Republicans and to protect democrats.
The president leads the FBI, CIA, and DOJ and is a Republican. The head of the investigation into the Russian interference into the 2016 election is a Republican and the guy that the Republican fired because of his investigation was a Republican. Likewise it was the Republican (James Comey) led FBI that publicly re-opened the Clinton email case a week before the 2016 election, despite no new material evidence. The current head of the DoJ, Matthew Whitaker is on the record disparaging the Mueller investigation, despite the 34 indictments, 2 convictions, (6 of which and both convictions are Trump associates). Also note that he is only acting AG, since Trump wasn't sure that the Republican majority Senate would approve him. I'm not aware of the evidence that the DoJ, FBI and CIA have become partisan, however it doesn't seem likely given the above.

* Weaponizing the IRS to delay and deny conservative organizations and individuals.
The fact that they are organizations with a political agenda should necessitate further investigation no? Lobbying is not an acceptable 501c appropriate activity. Strangely the IRS hasn't gone after churches that are functioning as arms of the Republican party.

* Dehumanizing society through late term abortions/infanticide.
This is my favorite, because it essentially comes down to who you want to "dehumanize". The woman that is forced to have a baby, or the fetus. I don't connect this to fascism in any way however.

* Funding, propagandizing, making hysterical claims while promoting faulty science in an effort to damage free enterprise and promote Socialism.
You'll need to be more specific here (hysterical claims, faulty science), and you'll also need to define socialism. It seems to be that conservatives are the ones that have been ignoring science, particularly considering climate change.

* Destroying the 'Rule of Law' by creating a protected class of people, all of whom are leftists.

The "protected class" since the inception of civilization has been the wealthy people in power. The POTUS is a perfect example. Lets catalog his offenses: sexually assaults 15 women, brags about it, violently assaults and rapes his ex-wife, commits tax evasion, fraud, treason with belligerent foreign power, and has yet to experience any consequences.

* Opening the boarders to illegals and facilitating their voting as a means of maintaining power.
I guess it is easier to blame the immigrants than to actually adopt policies that they'll get behind. I think this is why a path to citizenship for a lot these folks is so controversial. That being said, the Dems have been willing to fund boarder security (but not the ineffectual wall) as long as there is some give and take. That being said, talking about the rule of law, undocumented immigrants that request asylum aren't criminals, but they are being treated accorded such rights.

Nate said...

* Attacking the constitutional guarantees that protect the minority from the majority: attacks on the freedom of speech, attacks on the electoral college, attacks on 2nd amendment.
I believe that everyone's vote should be equal. The electoral college violates this principle. I'd love to get rid of it. It was supposed to protect us from extremists and tyrants, but I don't think has done either. Right now our presidential elections are decided by the smallest minority of a dozen swing stages. How does this protect anyone?
Funny how the Republicans are the ones that eliminated the protections for the minority party for voting in Supreme court justices. Also strange that the "protected classes" mentioned previously are the minorities that the liberals want to protect. Yea, the left wants more restrictions on guns. However everyone in principle agrees that sensible restrictions on weapons should be in place -- no one argues that everyone has the right to own a nuke, the only question is where we draw the line. I personally don't see the necessity in modern society for them, particularly in urban areas. Their impact on suicide rates and ability to kill indiscriminately and on mass make them on the whole a significant cost to society. However it is much harder to determine their benefit. I loved "The Gun Show" from This American Life and its discussion on the topic.

* The use of the leftist "brown shirts" (the AntiFa, and the Black Panthers) to attack opposition folks.

Oh right, because they are committing vehicular homicide against counter protestors.. oh wait, those are the "good people" in the white nationalists. I hate to burst your bubble, but the terrorism over the last ten years in this country has been right wing not leftist.

* The coordination of efforts between the Democrats, the Cadre of Billionaires, and the leftist media, to fight any opposing views.

However the "billionaire" POTUS is immune from this coordination? Didn't the Rupert Murdoch owned Fox News just admit they spiked the Stormy Daniels Scandal during the 2016 election? Isn't it widely known that Trump communicates with Sean Hannity on the daily? Have you heard of the Koch brothers, Sheldon Adelson, Rupert Murdoch, etc.?
I'm absolutely just as concerned with you with corporate media and the ability for the Murdochs, Bezos of the world to stifle conversations that aren't profitable to them. However Repubs absolutely aren't the solution to this problem. With the senate, the house and the presidency, they passed a tax cut was absolutely a giveaway on a massive scale to corporate interests, paid for by upper middle class tax payers in high cost of living states. What did the Dems do in a similar situation? They implemented tax increases on capital gains (mostly paid by the wealthy) to pay for health care for those that couldn't afford it and provide a market place for individual consumers to compare policies.

CrabbyOldMan said...

YAWN. Nit will always be Nit, endless blather with virtually no substance.

Nate said...

Leaching Old Man, responds with a one sentence dismissal of a multiple paragraphs, in depth response to Haver's comment. Stay ignorant old man. it suits your political affiliation.

CrabbyOldMan said...

I am perfectly content to let the other readers draw their own conclusins.

Nate said...

Obviously not, since you felt the need to insult the contents and the author. Maybe you have a iota of self awareness and I struck a chord.

Anonymous said...

Okay Nate let’s tackle these one by one:
* Weaponizing the FBI and CIA and DOJ to attack Republicans and to protect democrats.
Your only disagreements are: First some are republicans—that some of the swamp creatures, that are weapons of the democrats, happen to be labeled republicans? So what. There has been two years of emails showing what they all did; and second Trump is the head of the CIA, FBI, and DOJ. Only the top positions are under Trumps control and then only if he can get folks confirmed, which has proved most difficult. If you have paid attention to all the news you know that the coup was orchestrated before Trump took office and continues to the present day. (You won’t know it if all you get is from MSNBS, CBS, PBS, CNN, NYT, and the rest of the alphabet Pravdas.)
* Weaponizing the IRS to delay and deny conservative organizations and individuals. It happened, no one was fired. It was confirmed that it happened; your suggestion that “they warranted investigation is bullshit, because the leftist organization had no such problem.
* Dehumanizing society through late term abortions/infanticide.
Remember I am a 1960s Liberal. We fought for the right to choose. When you allow that choice to take place in the last month or allow the baby to die if it survives the abortion, it is infanticide and murder. If the woman’s life is seriously at risk, that is a different matter, but that is not the case except in an extremely small percentage of cases.
* Funding, propagandizing, making hysterical claims while promoting faulty science in an effort to damage free enterprise and promote Socialism.
“Global Warming” the democrats are clear when they say we need ‘Socialism’ to counter Climate Change. Contrary to the ‘bought-and-paid-for’ scientific grant recipients the Earth has cooled some after the normal upward fluxuations of the recent past. The increased CO2 may cause some problems, but it also brings added benefits. But you won’t hear any of that in the propaganda machine of the democrats.
* Destroying the 'Rule of Law' by creating a protected class of people, all of whom are leftists.
Your only argument is that the wealthy get away with more. And TRUMP. I am talking about Hillary getting a clean get out of jail report even before she was interviewed by the FBI, that Sessions memo directing the agency to look into Hillary and the Uranium One deal was lost until just last week. That constitutional Guarantee of Speech is under assault in our Universities such that Trump and several States are having act to reinforce that right. The Second Amendment is constantly under assault. An that right is being chipped away.
* Opening the boarders to illegals and facilitating their voting as a means of maintaining power.
I don’t blame the immigrants, if they are here legally great. I blame the democrats for attempting to thwart any action to mitigate, reduce and control illegal immigration. Add their now open attempt to allow illegals to vote and you see just how lawless they are. This is a power grab in a classic Authoritarian/Fascist action.

Haverwilde said...

I don’t blame the immigrants, if they are here legally great. I blame the democrats for attempting to thwart any action to mitigate, reduce and control illegal immigration. Add their now open attempt to allow illegals to vote and you see just how lawless they are. This is a power grab in a classic Authoritarian/Fascist action.
The democrats are not in favor of border security That is just another tactic to change the subject.
You cannot be serious when you say that a wall is ineffectual. Yuma County Sheriff reports that when the wall was constructed the apprehension of illegals was cut by 96%, and crime was cut by 91%. That is damned effective.
Illegals are criminals by definition. They are here illegally. Asylum seekers, if admitted are here legally. If they are denied they need to go.
* Attacking the constitutional guarantees that protect the minority from the majority: attacks on the freedom of speech, attacks on the electoral college, attacks on 2nd amendment.
I don’t care what you believe. The electoral college is constitutional. If you want to change it put forward a constitutional amendment.
To follow a different path puts you with the rest of the lawless democrats and their ignoring the rule of law.
The same holds true with the second amendment. Background checks are fine. Numerous folks are banned from possessing guns by court action.
The rest of your discussion is absurdities.
* The use of the leftist "brown shirts" (the AntiFa, and the Black Panthers) to attack opposition folks. Look at the news. The terrorist AntiFa etc. are assaulting folks regularly. Only recently has one of them facing charges.
There really are a few white nationalists; they have been historically criticized by all sides. The odd thing is that they have been empowered by the left’s overt racism. They have come out of their hiding. Just another of Obama’s legacies.
I hate to burst your bubble, but the terrorism over the last ten years in this country has been right wing not leftist. Only because you don’t define leftist attacks as terroistic.

* The coordination of efforts between the Democrats, the Cadre of Billionaires, and the leftist media, to fight any opposing views.
Forget about Trump for a moment.
Rupert Murdoch is one of them. If you pay attention to Fox you would see that they can’t afford to lose their Conservative hosts which pays the bills, but they are bringing in the leftist in the earlier hours.
Koch Brothers don’t support Trump. The battleground oil pipeline is just a sideshow in which Koch Brothers are fighting for it, and Warren Buffet is fighting against it. Buffet would lose millions in tanker train fees if the pipeline gets completed.
Trump is a billionaire. He is being fought by a whole cadre of Billionaires. It is obvious that no normally well-off person can survive the kind of assault his under. He has many faults and makes life difficult for himself. I was not happy that he ran. But in hind sight is the best president of my lifetime—(that goes back to Truman).
Trump and the Republicans passed the Tax Bill. It had many facets. To get it passed their had to be a tax cut for the little guys. The real benefits were what took place at the corporate level. First, the provisions to facilitate corporations to bring money back to the U.S. without a huge tax bill. Thus, helping to fuel reinvestment in the U.S. The second was to cut the corporate rate (which was the highest in the world). Because Income and expenses are fungible, that is the corporation can be somewhat selective where they take their profits. The effect was to allow a more equitable allocation of the income. That makes American Corporations more competitive.
You talk about tax increases. We don’t need tax increases. We need less waste in government. And a huge reduction in the graft and circular funding schemes.

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Nate said...

I don’t blame the immigrants, if they are here legally great. I blame the democrats for attempting to thwart any action to mitigate, reduce and control illegal immigration. Add their now open attempt to allow illegals to vote and you see just how lawless they are.

Are you talking about the path to citizenship? I've not seen any attempts to allow non-citizens voters. Are you talking about the opposition to voter id laws? I'm a little confused here what you are talking about.

The democrats are not in favor of border security That is just another tactic to change the subject.
You cannot be serious when you say that a wall is ineffectual. Yuma County Sheriff reports that when the wall was constructed the apprehension of illegals was cut by 96%, and crime was cut by 91%.


More were deported under Obama in FY2016 under than Trump in FY2017. Obama was dubbed the deporter-in-chief by immigration advocates. The real problem with walls however are that the harder you make it to get into the country, the more likely people will stay. Immigrants used to come across the border for seasonal work and go back in the winter. Now that crossing is so dangerous, they stay for years and decades. In terms of crime, on average immigrants are less likely to commit crime than native born Americans. So while I'm sure that some crime is committed by illegals, most are here for the abundant work and supporting their families back home.

Illegals are criminals by definition. They are here illegally. Asylum seekers, if admitted are here legally. If they are denied they need to go.
You have to enter the country to request asylum, so I don't think it is so cut and dry. You call yourself a 60s liberal, but I think most 60s liberals (my parents for example) are horrified by current treatment of asylum-seeking families.

I don’t care what you believe. The electoral college is constitutional. If you want to change it put forward a constitutional amendment.

Recognize that I'm arguing for democratic principles and empowering of people to self-govern while you are arguing for the minority's right to govern the majority. Who again is the authoritarian/fascist?

Also, please look of the emoluments clause of the Constitution and let me know when you'll be jumping on the impeachment bandwagon. It is patently obvious that Trump is illegally benefiting from his office and refuses to properly divest himself of conflicts of interest.

There really are a few white nationalists; they have been historically criticized by all sides. The odd thing is that they have been empowered by the left’s overt racism. They have come out of their hiding. Just another of Obama’s legacies.

They've come out of hiding because they've found a POTUS that won't disavow them and uses their language.

The real benefits were what took place at the corporate level. First, the provisions to facilitate corporations to bring money back to the U.S. without a huge tax bill. Thus, helping to fuel reinvestment in the U.S.

Except it hasn't. The vast majority of the repatriated money has gone to investors via stock buybacks. Lack of available investment isn't the problem in the U.S., and it hasn't been for 25 years. There are billions of dollars in V.C. chasing the next snapchat/uber/facebook/instagram/google.

I find it hilarious that a "60s liberal" comes off as such a corporate shill. I'm pretty sure you were a reactionary then, and a reactionary now.

You talk about tax increases. We don’t need tax increases. We need less waste in government. And a huge reduction in the graft and circular funding schemes.


Nate said...

Ok, we'll stop spending millions supporting the Trump family's overseas business trips, Mar-a-Lago, etc. That'll solve it. Seriously I'm sure a 60s liberal would be in favor of cutting military spending by a third ($200B)-- guess what that would only cut the budget deficit by 25%. The tax cut locked in $800 billion deficits. Thanks to two successive rounds of massive tax cuts, primarily benefiting the wealthy, our country spent $325B in 2018 on interest for the national debt. This is in a period of economic growth! What is going to happen when the next recession hits?

Sorry, a lot of your comments are entirely absurd -- Hilary is guilty of nothing more than occasional poor judgement. Just because the FBI & DOJ agrees doesn't mean that the agencies are corrupt or partisan. I know it is hard for someone so partisan to believe, but not everyone is like you. Not everyone distorts their views of everything to match your demagogue.

I live near D.C. and do occasional contracting work with Federal government. I've yet to deal with a federal employee that is even remotely corrupt. They'll refuse a dinner, or even an expensive drink if it conflicts with their agencies policy on accepting gifts. The vast majority are intent on doing their mission. Some recite the policy prior to accepting a cookie. I think most people envision a swamp around D.C., however it isn't the bureaucracies that are problem, it is the POTUS that fails to divest himself, and the congress that invests using inside information (Paul Ryan).

Haverwilde said...

Nate,
Never mind.
You are a total ignoramus, not to mention blind and deaf.
Illegals allowed to vote was proposed by the democrat house.
It is allowed in California.

You are are just another Fascist supporter, either through ignorance or through intent.
Fuck off. You don't want a conversation.

CrabbyOLdMan said...

Nit, anyone who would say "Hilary is guilty of nothing more than occasional poor judgement." has blown any shred of credibility (however little) that they ever had.
Are you into faith healing? You seem to be predisposed.

Nate said...

Illegals allowed to vote was proposed by the democrat house.

Nope. (Source)

It is allowed in California.

Source? Lemme guess, Sean Hannity. Obama had it right, you guys are living on a different planet.

You are a total ignoramus, not to mention blind and deaf.

Well, I'll admit I'm ignorant on many many topics, but they probably aren't the ones you are thinking of. My vision is pretty poor, but easily corrected with corrective lenses. Is this projection?

If Hilary were really guilty of anything significant, don't you think that the Republican congress would have actually found a shred of evidence for it? I mean they certainly investigated her enough, but AFAIK found jack shit. They were mainly culpable for what they blamed her for (refusing to budget security for Benghazi). I mean, just because you wish it, doesn't make it true.


CrabbyOldMan said...

Nit,
There has been plenty of evidence, but no one wants to set the terrible precedent of prosecuting the losers of an election, for which fact the Democrats should thank their lucky stars. Besides,someone please correct me if I am wrong, the D.O.J. (not the congress)is the one that is supposed to do the prosecuting anyway.
I think you have demonstrated ignorance on nearly EVERY important topic many times.
"...just because you wish it doesn't make it true." is a phrase you should carefully avoid.
You have not answered my question about faith healing.

Nate said...

There has been plenty of evidence, but no one wants to set the terrible precedent of prosecuting the losers of an election,

Evidence of what exactly? Republicans have been investigating Hilary Clinton for 25 years now, typically coinciding with when she is in, or running for public office.

I think you have demonstrated ignorance on nearly EVERY important topic many times..
You must define ignorance as disagreeing with you. I'm about 100x more likely to source my assertions than you are.

I thought your question was rhetorical, I've mocked the theistic numerous times on this blog before and expressed that I am an atheist at least a couple of times. So, no faith here, and definitely no b.s. religious voodoo.

CrabbyOldMan said...

Nit,

What source matters.
I am very aware of your religious orientation, which happens to almost exactly mirror my own.
I'd say that your political (and social?) beliefs require the same degree of gullibility as it does to buy into faith healing, hence my question.

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Nate said...

Dunno LOM, Thinking that the government shouldn't interfere in relationships between consenting adults seems like a sensible policy to me -- the conservative idea of letting religious norms define social policy (Abortion, Marriage, etc.) seems to be the naive approach to me. Likewise the idea that the free market will solve all problems, both socially and economically is equally naive and truly requires gullibility.

An externality is an outcome, either positive or negative that comes from economic activity. For example, if I started a chemical production plant in your backyard that emitted significant quantities of noxious fumes into your neighborhood, one externality would be that your property values would go down, since no one would want to live in your house anymore. However my chemical production plant also employs people and the income and stability that this plant provides these people is also an externality. My stance is that the only entity that is capable of balancing between the positive impact of my plant and the negative ones is the government. They are the only entity that get me to stop emitting the noxious gases or force me to compensate the negatively impacted party.

CrabbyOldMan said...

Nit, you're such a, well, nit.
The social views you mention in your first paragraph have nothing at all to do with religious views. I have explained several times that my own such views almost exactly mirror yours. Rather, my views, and those of the other adults, are a product of noting the social evolution that has transpired over the millennia (trial and error?). For example, I invite you to name ANY civilization in history that practiced same sex "marriage" other than the lunatic fringes of very recent decades.

You will be unable to find ANY instance where I have argued that free markets will solve ALL problems. I have and continue to insist that it has been absolutely proven that command economies have performed miserably compared to free market economies, and that generous welfare policies are ruinous over the long run.
OF COURSE there needs to be government intervention in human affairs. The adults of the world understand the need to use it only to promote the greatest good for the greatest number. The Nits of the world apparently want to use the power of government to insure that parasites enjoy the same standard of living as producers, and force the population at large to share the same shit house with nut cases who believe they are "really" of the other gender. I suppose the next requirement will be that we have to address everyone who thinks they are Napoleon as "General Bonaparte".

Haverwilde said...

I see Nate is being his usual ASSHOLENESS.
We shouldn't allow religious values to define policy, what a crock.
Thou Shalt not steal--okay Nate you now support theft.
Thou Shalt not Kill--ditto murder.
Thou Shalt not bear false witness--ditto on perjury.

Historically most cultures were synonymous with religion, so laws were religious laws.

We have changed, so there is a give and take to process of culturally changing standards. But Nate just wants to be his nasty self. He doesn't want dialogue; he wants his diatribe.

He and his democrat ilk, have moved into the rhelm of pure evil. Bent on the destruction of the rule of law, pushing the envelope of civility, promoting the destruction of life even of newly born infants. Redefining evil as good and good as evil. Antisemitism is on the rise with the left. The Antifa is one of the most fascist groups in the country. The left destroys people who disagree with them and give the likes of Hillary and her 100+ felonies a pass.

Fuck off Nate. You are the embodiment of all that is evil and wrong in this country.

Nate said...

Spoken like a true theocrat. Perhaps Iran might let you in as refuge.

Just because the bible says it is wrong doesn't make it right. However the bible doesn't seem to have much of a problem with rape, murder, and seems to pretty accepting of slavery which I think is categorically wrong.

I'm a secular humanist that believes that humans are capable of being moral without the existence of god. A humanist knows that stealing/murder is wrong, because it unnecessarily hurts someone else. I feel a little sorry for you if you needed a sky wizard to tell you that.

Perhaps you disagree, however the Constitution guarantees me freedom from your religion. So yea, if you want your religiously driven government, there are many in the Middle East that will fulfill all of your dogmatic desires.

Haverwilde said...

See you are a fucking asshole:

I am agnostic.
The bible is wrong. Idiot! What does that have to do with anything.

You obviously have no ability to read in context or for comprehension.

You are not a secular humanist you are an idiot spouting crap.

Freedom of religion has nothing to do with what I said. You are completely free to believe any damned thing you want. You have demonstrated that repeatedly. And the constitution protects your religious right to be totally wrong!

You continue to affirm my deductions that you are the embodiment of all that is wrong and evil in this country. So just fuck off!

Nate said...

Ok, I'm having a real tough time wrapping my head around this. Haver claims that religious values should dictate policy and claims to be an agnostic. So your position is that the laws of this country should be driven by an entity that you have no confidence even exists?

I'm also really curious how anything I've written makes me "evil". Because I'm pro choice? That makes a sizable majority of this country evil. I remind you can have full control over women's reproductive rights in your favorite theocracy.



Haverwilde said...


LIE #1: "Haver claims that religious values should dictate policy"
LIE #2 "your position is that the laws of this country should be driven by an entity" (God)
LIE #3 "how anything I've written makes me "evil." Because I'm pro choice? NO, BECAUSE YOU LIE, DISTORT, AND PROTECT THOSE DEMOCRATS WHO ADVOCATE FOR KILLING BABIES AFTER THEY ARE BORN. I AM PRO-CHOICE.

A SIZEABLE GROUP IN THIS COUNTRY ARE EVIL--USUALLY THEY ARE CALLED DEMOCRATS.

JUST FUCK OFF AND DIE NATE. YOU AND YOUR ILK ARE BENT ON DESTROYING ANYTHING OF VALUE IN THIS COUNTRY.

Nate said...

I'll just leave this here.

We shouldn't allow religious values to define policy, what a crock.
Thou Shalt not steal--okay Nate you now support theft.
Thou Shalt not Kill--ditto murder.
Thou Shalt not bear false witness--ditto on perjury.



Haverwilde said...

Mr. Asshole Nate:
READ for comprehension, not to fulfill your prejudices.
If you are unable to read for comprehension, then either shut the fuck up, or go back to elementary school.

"Historically most cultures were synonymous with religion, so laws were religious laws." Remember that. The underpinning of human laws have been from the religious/cultural unity! And as I said, things are changing, it is a process of moving away from that unity. To deny the religious component is to deny your history. You have made of your "Secular Humanism," a religion. And you want that religion to define laws. Apparently, that includes the murder of new born children who survived abortion. That is Evil!

You are just too wrapped up in your bigotry.

Nate said...

Dictionary Definition of Religion: 1) the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
2) a particular system of faith and worship.

Secular Humanism meets neither of these two definitions, so once again you are misinformed. In fact, if you knew what secular humanism was (outside of what you've heard on fox news), you'd know that the term secular means the state of being separate from religion. Regardless, I'm looking at secular humanism as the starting point for a moral code, which was intended to elaborate on why I don't need a sky wizard to be a moral person. This was in response to being called evil. I'm still confused why I was deemed evil in the first place. Funny how you are the one calling names and insulting me and I'm the bigot. I'd love to have a reasoned discussion of two people that would like to understand each other's point of view. I can't seem to say much without being called a nit, an asshole... etc, which really distracts from a desire to understand. Do I trigger you or something?

However I don't think laws should be defined by either religious or secular morality. Laws should be defined by what makes for a better society/nation, and conflating legality with morality makes this impossible.


Haverwilde said...

Nate:
See what I mean about your assholeness, you left out one of the definitions of religion:
"4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith" That fits you just fine.

As to: "I'd love to have a reasoned discussion of two people that would like to understand each other's point of view." That is bullshit. I have tried on may occasions in the past with you, and you just can't do it.

For a "moral person" you sure do lie frequently. Try not doing it.

You just can't help yourself, snide remarks about 'Fox News.' I would think you would be watching now that Donna Shalala, that corrupt democrat who gave Hillary the debate questions has joined the network.

If you truly wish to have us quit calling you nit, or asshole, quit being one. Carry on your conversations without lying, snide-ness, defining terms contrary to how they were used, and attend to what is being said, not what you want us to have said.

Name calling? You bet... but only when it is called for. Quit lying and the other nasty asides and see what happens.




Haverwilde said...

oops Mental hiccup that was Donna Brazile.

Nate said...

I guess if your argument is to attack me by calling me an asshole, liar, etc. then I guess we really don't have much to talk about. When you can't attack the argument, you attack the person. I no longer think your comments are made in good faith and I certainly don't think that you are interested in seeking to understand anything. You seem so focused on invalidating my world view and trying to make me into a hypocrite that you aren't interested in how my belief system is quite different from a religion. I don't have to have faith, since I accept that all I know now is only the best knowledge available, and new information tomorrow may invalidate it. It is counterproductive to have ardent belief when your philosophy dictates that you may have to abandon it at a moments notice.

I'm coming to a conservative blog here largely to have my assumptions challenged, and my arguments tested and while I certainly troll sometimes, I'm also quick to source my information and assertions and generally the target of the abuse. If I had to guess, I'd suggest that you are here to reinforce your echo chamber and have your preconceptions validated. I think these are the fundamental differences between your goals and mine and perhaps why we can't discuss anything. I miss Ala -- even though we disagreed, it was at least a discussion rather than simply personal attacks.

Anyway, I've got better things to do right now -- ya know, I gotta work so LOM can get his welfare from the government.

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Nate:
Look at the comments. I respond with insults, usually after you throw some kind of shit my way. You discussion appears to have describe yourself and projected it on me.
First of all, I am not a conservative, nor a republican. That makes me quite different from many that once visited this blog.
If you want to have your views challenged, fine, listen, respond, discuss, and quit the snide comments, and the name-calling.
When you say you want something, and then do the opposite, you are a hypocrite, by definition. I called you a liar and listed some points. No apology from you, no discussion about how you 'miss-read' or misunderstood. You left the lie. So..
You appear to have a mental world view of yourself that is at odds with either reality, or at odds with your responses.

CrabbyOldMan said...

Oh Nit! Where should I start?
You are correct that I, like Haverwilde, consider your world view invalid.
I don't consider you a liar because I think you believe the drivel that you spout. Rather, I see you as one of the useful fools. Accordingly, you do fit that definition of an asshole.
Since I think that the truth cannot be an insult, I say you cannot claim to be personally attacked.
Did it ever occur to you that religious rules came about as a means of buttressing the already existing civil rules (ex. no stealing)(ex. no murdering)?
If by "welfare from the government" you are referring to Social Security, I feel compelled to point out another definition of an asshole that you fit: convenient memory lapses.
I pointed out some time ago on this blog (and you made a couple very lame responses) that (a)contributions to Social Security have always been COMPULSORY with both fine and imprisonment being the stick, and (b)under a privatized system, the participants would have had two to three times the monthly income depending upon if one wanted to leave a very large principle in their estate. Go check the archives. I already did the work for you.

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I'd be interested in specifically who/what embarrasses you and why you don't just stay away since it bothers you.

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Hi Crabby, It's too peaceful here these days. Time for you to stir things up. Have you watched the news about the Mexico Tariffs etc.?

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I have a circle of friends/acquaintances, most of whom dislike Trump to varying degrees. When I ask them why, nearly all parrot lefty talking points (“racist”,“misogynist”,“liar”,“ego maniac”, “unpresidential”,“no class”)with nary an original thought of their own, even though they generally claim to get their information from various news sources and say that they are independent voters.
I am frightened by the idea that this strategy by the left might be working.
When I have asked for specifics, they are normally unable to provide anything but trivialities. For example, I asked one of my friends to give examples of Trump’s lies. He responded with Trump exaggerating the size of the crowds at various events. I got no response to my question as to what politician doesn’t have a big ego. I asked another how he could cast stones at Trump’s (imaginary) flaws when he had supported both Clintons. He responded that he was very tired of hearing about the Clinton’s misdeeds since Bill had been out of office for 20 years. I regret not asking if he felt the same about Hitler, since Adolf has been out of office for 74 years.
I get a kick out of how deeply offended many are by Trump laying the leather on the left. How conveniently they forget how absolutely vicious they were in their attacks on George Bush and Ronald Reagan, both very gentlemanly sorts, which did neither of them any good, which is why I love it when Trump takes the dumbacrats to task.
I am in the camp that believes that the Republicans will probably enjoy a substantial victory in 2020, because Trump has done a very good job, which the average person recognizes. The Democrats, on the other hand, have been exposed for the corrupt incompetents that they are, who have a collection of clowns as a bench of candidates. They are throwing all the chicken shit at Trump and the Republicans in a desperate attempt to distract from the record they have to run on. I don't think that the media is going to be able to provide the lefties the help it has in the past because Trump, with enormous help from media itself, has been able to pull their teeth.

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