Wednesday, September 18, 2013

Simple Math.

29 comments:

Foxy Wizard said...

Amazing, right? Sometimes I just wanna smack Liberals "up side the haid", as we say in Texas, for being the most obtuse people on the planet.

Last place you'll ever see a mass shooting? A Texas gun show.

free0352 said...

You would think if we trust anyone with concealed weapons permits... it would be Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines...

CrabbyOldMan said...

Great point ALA!
A loud "Amen" to both Foxy Wizard and Free0352!

Bram said...

Free - You would think that unless you met some politicians and senior officers.

I love reading stories of pre-WWI Marines - who could take their Springfield's with them like any other piece of issued equipment. They could pay the few cents for ammo and use the base range whenever it wasn't being used. They became amazing shooters.

CrabbyOldMan said...

But Bram, that's such an old fashioned idea, like the death penalty for murder, rape and arson,flunking failing students and (gasp!)eugenics.
I for one am relieved that we have put such ideas behind us and are finally entering a gun free age of political correctness!

Tater said...

What tics me off is that I can't carry my pistol with me to work (I still work on base as a civilian now). Even though I have a CC permit here in Fla, I have to leave my pistol home every day, or risk losing access to the base (and therefore my job). Random car searches happen, and if caught there'd be hell to pay. A decade or so ago, I was routinely flying F-16s out of this same base with a fully loaded (510rounds) 20mm gating cannon, and two, one ton bombs (Mk 84s to be exact). Once airborne I had the range to bomb and strafed anything between Dallas and DC. Now they can't trust me with a pistol! Talk about BULL!!!

But heh, I’m sure it’ll never happen again…

Later

Tater said...

gatling cannon... that is.

free0352 said...

As a retiree myself, I go on base from time to time. They used to issues me fully automatic weapons that could bring down a jetliner or explosives that could demolish a house... now a 9mm pistol is too dangerous for me to have on base?

Speaking of... I couldn't carry said pistol even while on active duty. This system is quite broken. You know the gun control wackos have gone to far when the Army has to ask to carry guns...

Zelda said...

More wisdom from the same people who tie your retirement to the next generation, then engage in an aggressive population control campaign. Smart Power.

CrabbyOldMan said...

Tater and Free0652: What sort of work do you do one the base?

Robert I. Eachus said...

I served in a tank battalion (2/37th Armor 4AD) in Germany in the late 60's. My TO&E position was tank commander on the company dozer tank, but except during tank qualification and alerts, I worked in the orderly room.

In any case, I considered the M1911A1 .45 caliber pistol at best a heavy boomerang as a weapon, and much preferred the M3A1 grease gun. Yes, there are lots of people who loved the .45 cal pistol, and could shoot 10 out of 10 one handed, in less than 10 seconds. To have a chance at a bulls-eye, I needed a two handed stance, and three or four seconds per shot. Not happening in combat.

As for the grease gun? I could put a full clip through a single hole at a much larger range, and at full auto. I was even decent at hitting man sized targets off-hand. So on alerts or in the field, especially when in a jeep instead of on the tank, I'd take a (loaded) grease gun with me.

It always amazed me how much more polite everyone was when I had a grease gun slung, with magazine in or out. No fear involved, I mean if you are standing next to a tank with the rest of the crew on board, how much more threatening can you be? And a lot of the difference was in other members of your company or battalion. Not that they were surly otherwise, just their response was snappier and more often included phrases like, "No problem," or "Right away." I think it is that a pistol in a holster can be ignored, but ignoring a machine gun slung across your chest is difficult.

Tater said...

Nice toys Robert, but in a pinch, I'll take a GAU-8 any day! ;-)

Crabby, basically blow sh*t up. Am a weapons evaluator, pull weapon samples from US bomb dumps around the world (we store them in forward locations all over the planet), ship 'em here and test 'em. Weapons range from brand new to Vietnam vintage. By testing a few we can determine how reliable they are and figure that reliability rate into our war plans.

Later

free0352 said...

I sometimes teach marksmanship classes on base, but mostly I go on post for the PX ;)

Rickvid in Seattle said...

My father was in the Air Force and I do not recall ever seeing anyone besides guards carrying weapons on base. Certainly my father never did. Was this common before the current ban? I do recall reading that during the raid on Pearl Harbor men ran to their gun lockers to get weapons only, in many cases, to be told by the guy in charge that he could not open the armory without orders. May be a legend.

CrabbyOldMan said...

When I was in the Army, in the late 1960s, privately owned firearms had to be kept in the arms room. The owner had to get permission to take them out.

CrabbyOldMan said...

Robert I. Eachus, I was in 3/64th Armor 3ID, Schweinfurt, from January 1967 to August 1968.

Questionmann said...

Imprison all Republicans! They are the terrorists of the United States. They have ruined the country, and needs to be placed in prison, hard labor and no benefits - no mail, no phone, no nothing. All privileges they had, completely and irrevocably revoked. They are to be declared enemy combatants and imprisoned.

Zelda said...

Whose voice shall we read the above in this time? I'm thinking the rapist of Edith Bunker in that episode of All in the Family.

CrabbyOldMan said...

What about Margaret Hamilton (the wicked withc of the West)?

OFF TOPIC OFF TOPIC
I'll be gone for about a week.

Questionmann said...

Yawn. Fascism to glorify the racist and the ignorant.

Been there. Done that. Brought out the ENLIGHTENED (Obama and all his forward thinking acolytes) to stomp it out forever (with EXTREME prejudice)!

rbb said...

Nutters crack me up.

With about 30 seconds of searching the truth was clear.

Even your Libertarian idol Glenn Becks "The Blaze" has pointed out the ridiculous gop lie that Cliiiinnntooon is to blame.

In the aftermath, some have pointed fingers at former President Bill Clinton, but is he really to blame?

So what’s the answer? It appears this “gun-free zone” type policy can actually be traced back to Department of Defense (DoD) Directive 5210.56, signed into effect in February 1992 by Donald J. Atwood, deputy secretary of defense under President George H.W. Bush.

...Some outlets are citing Army Regulation 190-14, a policy implemented in 1993 that changed policy regarding carrying firearms on the Army’s military bases, to cast blame on Clinton.

However, that policy specifically notes part of its purpose is aimed at implementing “applicable portions of Department of Defense Directive 5210.56,” which, as previously stated, was put into effect by Bush Sr.’s deputy secretary of defense:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/09/17/this-is-why-most-military-personnel-are-disarmed-on-military-bases-and-its-not-clintons-fault/

It was an Army regulation, nutters. Wipe yourselves, you're embarrassing America.

http://www.apd.army.mil/jw2/xmldemo/r190_14/head.asp

Zelda said...

What body parts do you think they're touching as they copy and paste so furiously?

Roboto said...

I sincerely doubt that they have those body parts. That would explain the frustration in their posts.

Zelda said...

Well I was thinking earlobes. I don't know what you're imagining. :-p

Rickvid in Seattle said...

Stupid idea under H.W., who may well have not signed it into law. Stupid idea under Clinton who did.

Good grief, ribbit, whadda maroon, yet again.

Rickvid in Seattle said...

So, rbb, what do you think of the policy, regardless of its provenance?

Haverwilde said...

Rickvid,
rbb cannot respond, you use words that are bigger than "nutters."
He is obvious not capable of matching wits with you. If he tried, he would be found witless, and the shock to his system would render him even further witless.

Alas poor rbb, I knew him, Rickvid! a fellow of infinite idiocy, of most excellent fantasy. Poor delusional democrat.

rbb said...

I agree with this republican/Army regulation.

newrebeluniv said...

Nice poster but not true.

http://www.cnn.com/US/9510/sniper/am/

http://www.nytimes.com/1993/10/19/us/worker-at-fort-knox-kills-3-then-shoots-himself.html

I also remember stories about a shooting at the burger king at fort Know in the mid 80's but can't find a link. So, it's not like it never happened before.

Government policies don't cause crazy people to start shooting any more than guns do.