Monday, May 13, 2013

Impeachment? Don't be goofy. Unless, maybe...

I have never been one to jump up and down about impeaching a President. Impeaching Bill Clinton, in my opinion, was a terrible waste of time and political capital. The raving loons who wanted to impeach the eeeevvviiiillll Bu$hitler were just that, loons. I have also felt that same way about people going on and on about impeaching Obama.

Almost nobody jabbering about impeachment knows what it actually is; most people think it means "throw the bum out!" They have no idea where the authority for impeachment comes from, who does what to make impeachment happen, and what "high crimes and misdemeanors" means. Doing things you don't agree with politically does not cut it. But here is an action that fits that high standard:

"He has, acting personally and through his subordinates and agents, endeavored to obtain from the Internal Revenue Service, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, confidential information contained in income tax returns for purposes not authorized by law, and to cause, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, income tax audits or other income tax investigations to be initiated or conducted in a discriminatory manner." Emphasis mine.

That might be an article of impeachment for Obama if the current story about targetng conservative groups plays out in that direction; it fact it was part of the articles drawn up for Richard Nixon. Thing is, Nixon did not actually do any of that; it was only alleged by John Dean, in a recollection of one if Nixon's frequent rants, that Nixon wishfully said it would be great if they could audit opponents. In fact, Nixon was audited while in office!

With this growing scandal, the lies and cover-ups about Benghazi, the failures of his gun control initiatives, immigration reforms, and the ever-more-clear coming disaster of Obamacare, impeachment may not be needed. Maybe Obama will pull a Nixon and go. Of course, then we'd get Slo Joe the Dunkin' Doughnuts Guy. Lord help us.


Steve said...

For all of his faults, mis-steps, issues, redefinition of words ("there is no there, there"), etc, there are two words that should go through every conservative mind that should scare the ever-loving bejesus out of us:

"President Biden".

CrabbyOldMan said...

Jug Ears will leave early only if he is dragged out kicking and screaming.
The Senate will not convict him even if he is charged in the House, so the most that will happen is that the Republicans will get to wail and rend their garments.
The knaves will swear to high heaven he is innocent and the fools will agree.
The most that will come of all this is that the Marxocrat brand will be damaged a little bit.

CrabbyOldMan said...

President and Doctor Biden do not scare me nearly as much as Comrade Obama having the executive powers does.

Haverwilde said...

He will not be impeached.
But that does not alter the reality; he has the most corrupt Administration in modern American history. He is driving this country so far into a hole, that we may never truly recover the greatness that this country once had. It is a sad era in American history.
The worst part of it is, that there is no 'land of the free' that I can emigrate to.

Hoss said...

Biden is Obama's insurance policy against impeachment or anything else drastic that might befall any president.

free0352 said...

I did think Clinton should have been impeached. But as you said, a lot of people don't know what that means. All an impeachment is, is fundamentally a trial for the President. The President appoints Federal Judges so they cannot try a President, that duty falls to the Senate, and only after the House votes to bring charges.

I think if it can be linked that Obama had knowledge of these targeted attacks by the IRS, and I think that is likely, that charges should be voted on by the House. The Senate will never find him guilty however.

But the bottom line is, Obama and the Democrats who would support him after this have crossed a very serious line. I'm not sure what that means, but it might mean get your musket.

I think Obama should resign his office over this. But he won't, and Democrats won't demand he does. They should, if they had a shred of integrity or loyalty to this country.

free0352 said...

I thought Obama was Jimmy Carter the sequel. To my surprise its Nixon the sequel.

Came out today the feds "retroactively" "subpoenaed" two months worth of the AP's phone records to uncover sources.

That's kinda like bugging a campaign headquarters.

Eric Holder needs to go to jail, and Obama needs to be a man and just quit.

Bram said...

It would be nice to see the truths exposed on this thing. What was the CIA doing? Why was it worth letting our people die rather than expose the operation?

Why was Africom Cinc relieved that day? Who was giving orders in DC? Panetta? Why?

It won't get Obama impeached - it will finally turn the press against him, destroy the Democrats in the mid-terms, and make him a lame duck. All good.

Anonymous said...

One of things I agree w/the Boston Bomber about:
"9/11 was an inside job."
GB/DC got away with murder and we didn't impeach them.
Clinton and Obama are lily white compared to those 2 hogs.

CrabbyOldMan said...

Yeah Enemas, yeah.

Get the straight jacket! Somebody hold the door to the padded cell open!

Anonymous said...

Yes, hold the door open for all the loons that looked the other way for W. but now want to impeach Obama, lol.

"He will not be impeached.
But that does not alter the reality; he has the most corrupt Administration in modern American history. He is driving this country so far into a hole, that we may never truly recover the greatness that this country once had. It is a sad era in American history."

Why are you still talking about Bush? Don't you realize that he is afraid to travel out of the US because he will be arrested?

Foxy Wizard said...

Obama will never be impeached. Even though the press is finally doing the job they should have done six years ago, they are doing it only because it is too late to get the crook out of there. He has shat on the Constitution, and done the damage they wanted done. We are headed for a full blown Marxist state, and past the tipping point, so who cares if now a few "journalists" are doing their jobs?

Foxy Wizard said...

I wasn't aware that Bush committed any crimes...

Steve said...

Anonymous wrote:
"9/11 was an inside job."

Anonymous, so did you also put lighter fluid over chicken wire in order to prove that jet fuel wouldn't have been able to take down the towers?

Will you also give us conclusive proof that aliens landed at Roswell, and there was a shooter on the knoll in Dallas November '63?

----- -----
GB/DC got away with murder and we didn't impeach them.

Only if you believe that 9/11 was an inside job. Of course, there's the possibility that you think anyone belonging to the Republican party are crooks of the worst magnitude, so...

Clinton and Obama are lily white compared to those 2 hogs.

I don't believe "Monicagate" was an impeachable offense. His re-definition of the language and lying to a Congressional Panel, though, IS.

I simply do not like Obama, myself. Between "Obamacare" becoming more "Obamascare", Fast & Furious, the lack of response (and ensuing coverup) in Bengazi, the economic outlook, the "disability" roles now exceeding the population of Massachusetts, the Justice Department seizing phone records for the Press, the IRS targeting... well, Anonymous- who else is Obama going to throw underneath the bus? He's running out of people to do so.

-- Steve

Zelda said...

I am pretty sure the IRS scandal and the AP wiretapping scandal are impeachable offenses by anyone's standards, left or right. Eric Holder should have been arrested years ago.

Free - He's like the worst combination of Carter and Nixon.

free0352 said...

I think its time to apoint a special counsel. This has gone to far.

free0352 said...

Its time to put some liberals in prison. Starting with Eric Holder and Tim Gietner

CrabbyOldMan said...

Zelda and Free0352 are a couple of RRAAACISTS!
This is all just a plot by the T-Party, Fat old white Rush, the Koch brothers and the Israel lobby!
Everything would be fine if the rich paid their fair share of taxes!
The REAL blame belongs to George Bush!

Anonymous said...

Crabs always likes to point out the obvious. You forgot to mention Cheney, if Dracula isn't in prison then I think anyone can get away with pretty much anything.

Foxy...I wasn't aware that Obama committed any crimes...

Zelda said...

It's funny though, how none of this would have been covered in the press if Obama hadn't had the AP's phones tapped. All he had to do was sit there and let the press tongue bathe him, but he even fucked that up.

CrabbyOldMan said...

Foxy…I wasn’t aware that Obama committed any crimes…

It has been nearly seventy years since WWII. People have been trying the whole time to find any document tying Hitler to the Holocaust. No one has ever found anything.
Does that prove that Hitler was innocent?
Have you ever heard of oral instructions?

Anonymous said...

If only the right wing media would have done their job when Bush was in office, trillions $ saved and thousands of lives. They were too afraid of W. and Dracula to report the truth.

CrabbyOldMan said...

Enemas, that's horse shit even for you!

Rickvid in Seattle said...

Some media are conservative; most media are liberal; but ALL media are treacherous! You just have to poke them a bit. Obambam and crew did, ham handedly at that. I guess it's true that if you get too usd to someone letting you walk all over them in some situations, you have no fear of doing it over and again until they bite back.

Red Neck Reactionary said...


Just remember the litany and the truth regarding the left and its comments:
"if the Left couldn’t lie, they’d have nothing to say."

Anonymous said...

Oh, the fantasies of republicans. They can't govern and they can't win unless they can drum up fake charges.

If the two Liars-in-Chiefs were not impeached; then obviously Obama will not be impeached.

You cannot be blamed for your absurd dreams: republicans have to do something knowing that in 2016 they will trot out their line-up of losers again that disgust everyone except themselves! Just like Romney, this new group of losers isn't going to put republicans in the White House!! So sad.

Anonymous said...

CRABS: Did you just write that no document has tied Hitler to The Holocaust and, therefore, that is proof of Obama's guilt via oral instructions?! This week it is apparent (and hilarious) that republicans, whipped into a frenzy by right wing media crazies like Beck, Jones & Rush, have gone off the deep end more than usual while salivating all over themselves, but Crabs takes the prize for the most stupefying analogy!

Are you saying you have read the minutes of the Wannssee (sp) Conference that spelled out the whole system for The Holocaust in January 1942, and Reinhardt Heydrick made no reference at all to Hitler's wishes? Not that you even knew these minutes existed or what I'm even referring to.

I will read through them to see if you know what you are talking about at all. Your "facts" always need to be double checked, obviously.

PS>GWB has enough blame on his grimey, slimey hands what w/ thousand dead and injured because of his and Dick's lies for personal profits through war profiteering. Keep pretending you can wish away people's memories of those two crooks time in office. And no, it isn't ancient history given the fact that for the rest of our lives there will be thousands of injured soldiers needing care thanks to the two disgusting cowardly chicken hawks.

I know the GOP talking point is to then write back "deflection" but republicans will forever never be able to live down their complacency and culpability.

So, it seems that any reference to Hitler used as an analogy best fits with the two warmongers.

Foxy Wizard said...

"Now let me be clear -- I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity. He's a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him."

State Senator Barack Obama (Democrat, Illinois)
Speech at Federal Plaza, Chicago, Illinois
October 2, 2002

Foxy Wizard said...

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members...

It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well, effects American security.

This is a very difficult vote, this is probably the hardest decision I've ever had to make. Any vote that might lead to war should be hard, but I cast it with conviction."

Senator Hillary Clinton (Democrat, New York)
Addressing the US Senate
October 10, 2002

CrabbyOldMan said...

Enemas, your first sentence suggests that you should consider a rigorous reading comprehension course.

By all means double check my facts. Perhaps you can provide the reference so that we can all view the specifics. I'm sure the Wiesenthal center would also appreciate your help.

CrabbyOldMan said...

Excellent smackdowns Foxy Wizard!

SoLow said...

Maybe I've had the blinders on too long, but I would like to hear the logic behind the idea that "9/11 was an inside job". Why would anyone mastermind an attack like that on our own country? What would be the benefit? Why would Bin Laden / Al Qaeda then take credit for it? Or is it just another iteration of the age old saying, "Bush sucks"?

Haverwilde said...

As all can see, Anon, like the Left in general, If they couldn't lie, they would have nothing to say.

Anonymous said...

Totally lame repubs. Haverwilde writes such intelligent spew, who can compete w/ it?

SoLow: GWB will forever in history be referred to as "sucking". That isn't ever going away. History is history. You cannot wish it away no matter how much republicans whine about it.

Anonymous said...

Foxy Wizard (guffaw) is only smart in Crabs sad little brain.

No matter how hard republicans try to pawn off their horrible leaders' decisions on others and try to have others take responsibility for kicking weapons inspectors out of Iraq so GWB/DC's war profiteering could commence, you all will never escape your cheerleading and glee at going after the wrong country after 911. But, hey, it wasn't your disgusting hides on the line. Typical cowards.

You are all so desperate, and have such "mommy issues" w/ Hillary Clinton, you are actually trying to say she was so powerful, George and Dick had nothing to do with anything. It's all HC! She is the real "Decider"!! She is going to make one fantastic actual president. The men on this site need to get over their "mommy issues". Don't take them out on HC!! So funny!

In reality, lame-os, the Senate and Congress was not treated any more "special" than the rest of us. GWB/DC had equal amounts of contempt for them, the American people and foreign governments. They gave the same corrupted material to everyone. How stupid can you all possibly be? Sorry, wrong group to ask!

Why are you all such babies about not taking responsibility for Bush's and Cheney horrible, horrible decisions and your cheerleading? You are trying to purge all this death and destruction from your systems, but sorry you are stuck being you and your cheerleading helped to kill thousands and injure thousands. Now try to pretend you care about abortion. Totally laughable!

REMEMBER: Dick Cheney was interviewed only a few week ago and he said, "I would do it all the same way." No regrets. He didn't mention that HC would do it all again, he said HE would. He is taking more responsibility than you want him to!

As usual, totally lame, uneducated repubs! Funny!

Haverwilde said...

And he continues with his lies, more lies, and even more lies.

Anonymous said...

Hey, Crabs, read any actual history about the Holocaust yet? Delusional, crying Glenn Beck and his love of all things Nazi doesn't count as actual historical facts, remember.

Anonymous said...

Haverwilde needs to take another pill and lie down. Republicans who listen to the lies of Beck, Jones, Rush, Ingraham, all of Fox "News", etc. are not good judges of truth. The frenzy of the past week has worn you down--go take it easy.

Anonymous said...

P.S. So sorry about impeachment fantasy going down the tubes. Oh, well, better lie, I mean luck, next time.

SoLow said...

Once again, my question goes unanswered.

Q - What would be the thought process of whomever supposedly masterminded 9/11 from the inside?

A - Bush will always suck.

That's exactly why I've grown tired of the recent "debates" on this blog. Anymore it's just a bunch of people slinging shit at each other.

Anonymous said...

"Anymore it's just a bunch of people slinging shit at each other" - it always was SoLow, your just now getting it ? The person who owns the blog never even posts anymore - why bother.

CrabbyOldMan said...

Everytime Enemas goes off like that, I become more convinced that Enemas is the perfect name since it implies continuous uncontrolled shitting.

Fearthuinn min an Saille said...

SoLow, given the ineptitude of the Bush administration, I find it hard to believe that they'd be able to cover it up so well. I don't doubt that they could carry it out, but the cover up is just something I don't really see succeeding.

The reason you haven't gotten an answer, is because they don't actually have one. So no sense in trying to get one, because they'll always attach to something else you say instead. Gotta love deflection, must be Aikido masters.

Anonymous said...

Fear Saille-

SoLow question was answered many times over, you just all refuse to believe the truth.

"What would be the thought process of whomever supposedly masterminded 9/11 from the inside?"

The though process of GWDC is one of pure evil, greed and arrogance, they bombed the wrong country for profit, how many ways can this be spelled out???

"SoLow, given the ineptitude of the Bush administration, I find it hard to believe that they'd be able to cover it up so well. I don't doubt that they could carry it out, but the cover up is just something I don't really see succeeding."

They did cover it up pretty well as far as you morons are concerned.

CrabbyOldMan said...

See my 6:58 PM comment.

Fearthuinn min an Saille said...

You, you're, your.

I have no disagreement that there are a lot of evil folks in gov't who are moved by greed and arrogance. But all the so-called evidence is pretty thin and points more towards idiots in office than masterminds of mass murder. So if that's the basis of the conspiracy theories, then I'm willing to say some smart folks managed to do a damned good job of showing how stupid our gov't is, not by being paid off by it.

Anonymous said...

Where was the outrage when the IRS was going after liberals under W.?

No one was audited here, and why should the Koch brothers tea party be given tax breaks???

CrabbyOldMan said...

Sources Enemas?

Anonymous said...

Sources? Oh, I forgot, liberals have to provide sources. Ever hear of "oral instructions"? Maybe you can look it up yourself while you are learning about the Holocaust. You will see that they went after Greenpeace, the NAACP and liberal churches, to name a few. Of course the pumpkin-headed drugster Limbaugh didn't tell you about this.

Anonymous said...

Sources? Oh, I forgot, liberals have to provide sources. Ever hear of "oral instructions"? Maybe you can look it up yourself while you are learning about the Holocaust. You will see that they went after Greenpeace, the NAACP and liberal churches, to name a few. Of course the pumpkin-headed drugster Limbaugh didn't tell you about this.

Zelda said...

If Media Matters and Think Progress got tax exempt status under the Bush administration, there is no evidence of "liberals" being targeted. And yes, even liberals need to provide evidence.

Haverwilde said...

Zelda, if Anon couldn't lie, he would have nothing to say, just like the rest of the lying left.

CrabbyOldMan said...

Foxy Wizard provided sources for his 12:28 PM and 12:29 PM comments and all you could respond with was a torrent of shit.
You are unable to provide evidence to support your drizzling. That is why I asked for the sources.

Foxy Wizard said...

"Don't ever wrestle with a pig. They'll love it, and you'll just get muddy."

That statement summarizes why I rarely post on this blog anymore, even though many of you are like family to me; cuz this pig comes on and spews insults, completely disregarding any facts and sources presented.

We've always had our trolls; people who disagree vehemently. Even they, in most cases, take up the argument and run with it. Not this moron. He/she has no argument save "Bush lied/people died!" hurled, spittle flying, at any statement he/she can't counterpoint, which is all of them.

It matters not that many of us, including yours truly, weren't big
Bush fans, rarely listen to Rush or watch Fox News. Mostly we enjoy discussing the issues of the day. Most of us are Conservatives.

I'll never understand why someone who is not Conservative would spend all their time on a Conservative Blog. I never go to a Liberal Blog to "debate" their idiotic points. Why would I do that? The only thing I can come up with is the trolls are simply tools, sent by the Progressive Lords, to disrupt the arguments.

Zelda said...

Aw Foxy, don't let the troll keep you away. It doesn't keep me away and it's obsession with me is disturbing and unhealthy. We don't have to answer it. I'd much rather have a discussion with someone else while it rants in the background.

So how are you? What's been going on with you? Think anyone will go to jail over the IRS scandal?

Haverwilde said...

I know you asked Foxy the question, but I will just throw my 2 cents in anyway.
I believe the twin scandals, IRS and AP phone records are merely a ruse to cover for Benghazi. Both were essentially leaked.
It makes me wonder just how vile the administration's actions were in Benghazi

Foxy Wizard said...

Hi, Zelda! I am fine! Still serving as a Minister at a Native American spiritual center...still working my part time job to pay the bills. (being a minister isn't a lucrative career for most of us)

I agree with Haverwilde on that one. The IRS hearings accomplished what the Obama Administration intended- to remind the American People that they can ruin us any time, any place, anywhere. I believe the reason Obama wanted to send us this message is simple: Obamacare is about to be implemented, and despite Congress passing it, Obama signing it, and the Supremes endorsing it, the American People still have to comply with it.

And that may not happen. Imagine if 100 million Americans simply decided to not comply? Didn't buy the insurance? Didn't pay the fine?

There is a very good reason why Obama assigned the IRS as the enforcing arm of Obamacare. We, the American People, fear the IRS. And the hearings were an opportunity for the IRS to flex their muscles.

So, to answer your question, no, I don't think anyone will go to jail, but even if someone does, it doesn't matter. We will be assimilated.

If the IRS were to be abolished, and a fair tax or flat tax implemented, then I'd say yes, something was actually done about the problem. That is not gonna happen.

Foxy Wizard said...

The feckless Republicans will gasp in dismay, raise their voices in indignation, and froth at the mouth, make speeches, demand answers, and then they will do what they always do: roll over and acquiesce. Why not? They are ON the gravy train.

Notice not a single one has proposed the defunding and/or abolishment of the IRS as we know it?

Foxy Wizard said...

And Zelda, I've been obsessed with you for years... ;)

Anonymous said...

Crabs- what were Foxy's sources? That Bush gave them the same false info. that he gave everyone else? Whatever. I have posted sources in the past and because you have all been brainwashed you say the sources aren't credible, so why bother.

You have all been told to hate government. Your republican leaders want you to hate government so they can privatize everything and make $. Government bad, corporations controlling everything, good. The sad thing is you are all too stupid to realize this.

"It matters not that many of us, including yours truly, weren't big
Bush fans, rarely listen to Rush or watch Fox News. Mostly we enjoy discussing the issues of the day. Most of us are Conservatives."

Do you know what irony is? You want Obama impeached but did you think that the most corrupt president in history, Bush, should have been impeached? You don't want FOX or listen to Rush but all your talking points come directly from the Heritage Foundation. Some of you actually post pictures of the drugster. So please, spare me.

Zelduh, you forgot to talk about your love of babies and bombs and hatred of the poor.

PS FOXY- more irony-There are conservatives in my family so I know what an actual "conservative" is, no one on this blog would qualify.

Let the swearing commence.

Anonymous said...

"The feckless Republicans will gasp in dismay, raise their voices in indignation, and froth at the mouth, make speeches, demand answers, and then they will do what they always do: roll over and acquiesce. Why not? They are ON the gravy train."

If only they would demand answers of their own crooked party. No indignation when Bush was in office.

CrabbyOldMan said...

Crabs- what were Foxy's sources?
Ah, Enemas, have you thought of reading Foxy's comments?

Everyone else: Any ideas as to what Enemas used to blow her head off with? Glue?

CrabbyOldMan said...

Foxy Wizard, I think that the current IRS scandal is another straw that further strains the camel’s back. I don’t know how far the back is from actually breaking.
I favor a flat tax based on a percentage of gross income from whatever source. I think that everyone would benefit, even those who pay nothing now.
This vastly simpler system would allow the IRS to be reduced to a shadow of itself. The potential for fraud and abuse would be correspondingly reduced. It would be a bucket of cold water on economically toxic “income redistribution” schemes.

Foxy Wizard said...

So, anonymous, if your line of reasoning is to be believed, Bush came into office, and scarcely nine months into his presidency managed to scam President and Sen Clinton, Al Gore, Nancy Pelosi, then Senator Obama, Ms. Albright, Sen Kerry, The Breck Boy, and 300 congress kritters into believing some false information put out by Bush and Chaney supporting the invasion of Iraq. Please tell me again, which is the party of morons?

The facts are, (and fortunately for me, I can post quote after quote of the traitors in your party URGING Bush to invade Iraq), the Dems were almost unanimously in favor of the invasion of Iraq, and when the war started getting unpopular, as wars are wont to do, your beloved party, in the name of political expediency, TURNED YOUR BACKS OF THE VERY PEOPLE YOU SENT TO BATTLE, and started the narrative of Bush lied, people died.

But don't take my word for it. Do your own research.

Foxy Wizard said...

Anonymous- All your feverish posts about Bush being a criminal are based on your false, easily dis-proven narrative that somehow Bush was smarter than Obama (The smartest man in the room), Gore (the thinking man's man) the Clintons, etc. and somehow managed to convince them all about some dubious intelligence that only he had seen. This is why no one here takes your rantings about Bush's and Chaney's "crimes" seriously.

Zelda said...

The troll has only one response to everything. It's like one of those toys with a string. Ask it a question and it has about 4 canned responses.

I guess it's wishful thinking that someone will go to prison, but it's fun to hope. Jon Stewart seems a little upset about it, so there's that.

Steve said...

You know, I've not seen such an acute case of Republican Derangement Syndrome in such a long time as is what is being shown by 'our' Anonymous.

Of course, we see how committed (s)he is to that cause, and how much the words are worth- because they won't even sign in with a Google account, and Open ID, or a Name/URL.

Anonymous said...

"The facts are, (and fortunately for me, I can post quote after quote of the traitors in your party URGING Bush to invade Iraq), the Dems were almost unanimously in favor of the invasion of Iraq..."

Right, because they were lied to by GW/DC about why they were going to war.

So what you are saying,Foxy, is that because Obama, Gore, and Clinton are extremely intelligent they somehow wouldn't have believed the reports that Bush put before them? They somehow should have known that it was all a lie...well smart people get fooled everyday.

"This is why no one here takes your rantings about Bush's and Chaney's "crimes" seriously."

Outside of this blog; FOX, Beck and Hannity world, in the real world, people do take the crimes of GBDC seriously. That's why everyone thinks it's a joke that you now want to impeach Obama.

CrabbyOldMan said...

Does anyone else wonder how much Enemas will rant about the Messiah's and His Disciple's crimes once they become public knowledge?

Anonymous said...

What crimes? Are you talking about the Reagan/Bush Iran-Contra Scandal or are we still talking about Bush/Cheney and their illegal wars? How about GBDC and illegal torture?

Zelda said...

So anyway, about Obama and the spying on the press. I know it's early, but I think Obama's tongue baths from them are over. And tangentially, I think it was more related to Fast and Furious than Benghazi, just because it began before Benghazi.

Hoss said...

Obama's so stupid he's managed to piss off his perennial water-carriers. Way to go, Barry, there doesn't seem to be anything you can't fuck up.

Foxy Wizard said...

I don't know, Zelda. One can only hope. But remember, some 30 news outlets receive funds from Soros based organizations, and they will serve their master. Soros would love to destroy America.

Foxy Wizard said...

Here, anonymous. Do your own research.

Notice the Clintons, Gore, Albright, Kerry, Kennedy, Pelosi, etc., all beating the war drums throughout the 90's. Notice also letters urging action out of Bush after he took office. They all had the same intelligence. They all supported the invasion until it got rough, then they turned on the people they sent to war. Your heroes are disgusting human beings.

Anonymous said...

Bush and Cheney are more Nixon than Nixon. First- class crooks and war profiteers! Way worse than Nixon. They really know how to play all of you pathetic republican voters! So lame. They thank you all kindly for making them that much richer off of other peoples' blood and sweat: what cowards.

I thought you all didn't like historical references? Only BO is supposed to be discussed. Although your fake history isn't exactly real history, now is it?

Anonymous said...

Foxy- I'm not going to read anything with the heading "Democrat Quotes..." If I sent you a link that said "Republic Quotes" would you take it seriously?

"...then they turned on the people they sent to war. Your heroes are disgusting human beings." Obama isn't the one responsible for cutting billions of $ to our troops, they didn't even have proper equipment over there while
YOUR hero walked around in a jumpsuit, such a coward, that's what I call disgusting.

CrabbyOldMan said...

Enemas proves once again that leftism is a religion because it rests on premises handed down by the cult's leadership and accepted by the members on faith.
The faithful’s devotion cannot be swayed by mere facts or logic. You may as well try to sell followers of the religion of peace that pork is the other white meat.

Anonymous said...

Crabs- That's funny coming from the party that doesn't believe in the facts about global warming, or the countless other facts that you all choose to ignore. Fracking is really safe for our water supply. Obamacare bad says the drugster. LOL.

Anonymous said...


Is this where you get your "facts"?

Anonymous said...


CrabbyOldMan said...

Does anyone need further evidence?

Foxy Wizard said...

"Foxy- I'm not going to read anything with the heading "Democrat Quotes..." If I sent you a link that said "Republic Quotes" would you take it seriously?"

Anonymous, let me make this very simple for you: Your assertion is that Bush and Chaney duped the Clintons, Gore, Obama, Pelosi, Kerry, Albright, and over 200 other Democrats into supporting a war based on misleading intelligence Bush put in a report. This is the entire basis of your "bush is a criminal" mantra. I directed you to Democrat quotes, dated before 9-11, after 9-11 and before and after the Iraq invasion in March 2003, where Democrats everywhere were urging that the US topple Saddam Hussein.

So your assertion is not based on fact. Why wouldn't you want to know what your leaders said? Why wouldn't you want to know the actual truth, rather than some talking point regurgitated into your mouth? Are you committed to getting the truth? Or are you simply going to close your eyes to the truth, put your fingers in your ears and yell la la la la! when confronted with it?

It is historical fact your party supported war with Iraq, LONG BEFORE BUSH BECAME PRESIDENT. Your argument, therefore, is without merit. It's ok to be wrong. We all make mistakes sometimes. But you have to man up at some point and face the truth- you're on the wrong side.

Zelda said...

Oh for heaven's sake. Bill Clinton signed the Iraq Liberation Act while he was president. BabyKiller can look it up itself. It's a matter of public record.

Foxy, the Journolist "reporters" were seen meeting at the White House. I wonder what Ezra Klein will have to say in the next day or so. Then we'll know how Soros wants it handled.

Foxy Wizard said...

Anonymous said: "That's funny coming from the party that doesn't believe in the facts about global warming"

Facts are pesky things. Look! Here comes one now! "We have just had THE SECOND COLDEST SPRING IN HISTORY." Check it out.

Anonymous said...

Foxy-I get it, you are trying to blame the war on the Democrats and George Bush and Dick Cheney (not Chaney, as you keep spelling it) are completely innocent. It is very clear what you are trying to say but I'm not buying it, sorry. If, according to you, Obama is to blame for EVERYTHING, including the horrible economy that he inherited, just why is it then that Bush is not to be blamed for ANYTHING?

"Man-up" Really? You are still quoting Sarah Palin? Ok, the only one that needs to man-up is the Republic (guess no need to say Republican since you can never say Democratic) Party. Bush screwed up royally, admit it. He was the President when the war started, not Clinton, not Pelosi, not Gore and not Obama. So can you man-up and admit this FACT?

Please don't tell me that you think just because we had a cold spring that global warming doesn't exist... you're not serious are you? That is hysterical.

Steve said...

To: "Anonymous" (still hiding behind a moniker, I see) -

Considering that intelligence had WMDs in Iraq- and now just ours, but England's, Germany's, Israel's, etc.- a whole "who's who" of intelligence agencies, and senior members of both political parties were in the loop and voted to go to war in Iraq- then pinning it all on Bush and Cheney is rather disingenuous.

Still- we lost half a million men during World War II, 58,200 during Vietnam, and 4,500 in Operation Iraqi Freedom/Operation New Dawn. Were there mistakes? Certainly. Blaming it on President George W Bush is a partisan move on your part. Remove your blinders- you're not seeing the forest through the trees.

As for the economy- funny, the economy didn't happen to start to tank until Democrats took control of both the House and the Senate in 2006. Of course, this isn't widely reported by our news media, because up until the AP scandal they had their lips surgically implanted on Obama's (and Reid's, and Pelosi's) hind quarters.

I'll be posting about the Global Warming Hoax in another post tomorrow.

Foxy Wizard said...

Anonymous said: "Foxy-I get it, you are trying to blame the war on the Democrats and George Bush and Dick Cheney (not Chaney, as you keep spelling it) are completely innocent."

No, I'm saying everyone is innocent regarding the invasion. I am glad we removed that killer from power and hung him.

"People can quarrel with whether we should have more troops in Afghanistan or internationalize Iraq or whatever, but it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks of biological and chemical weapons."

Former President Clinton
During an interview on CNN's "Larry King Live"
July 22, 2003


However, your heroes are guilty of turning their backs on the troops once they sent them to war, and for that I detest them.

By they way, thanks for the spelling lesson- always the refuge of those who have lost the argument.

Foxy Wizard said...

Anonymous said: "Please don't tell me that you think just because we had a cold spring that global warming doesn't exist... you're not serious are you? That is hysterical."

Dear Anonymous. Haven't you heard? It is no longer called Global Warming! It is not called Global Cooling, either! Climate Change is the new Politically Correct Talking Point. (PCTP) This allows scientists to look at any change in the climate AND BLAME US, thereby fleecing busy, uninformed taxpayers, allowing your heroes to give more money to their voters in exchange for future votes. This also allows your heroes to create exciting new industries, put their cronies in charge of them, and fleece even more money from busy, unsuspecting taxpayers, giving it to said cronies. These cronies take the money, launder it, and send it back to your heroes, in the form of campaign contributions and Union Dues. It's a beautiful thing!

Yes, I do believe in Global Warming. When the sun "comes up", it gets warm. This is called DAY. When the sun "goes down", it cools off. This is called NIGHT. When the Northern Hemisphere tilts toward the Sun, it heats up. This is called Summer. When the Southern Hemisphere tilts toward the Sun, we here call it winter.

Then there are Sun cycles. Some are 11 years long, some are much longer. Mostly we can't predict the longer sun cycles. For example, the 11 year cycle ended about five years ago (coinciding with a global cooling period) and did not start up. This accounts a longer global cooling period, and coincided with the 15 year cooling period we are experiencing.

This is why I can observe weather changes without anal leakage. Cuz I understand Earth weather as well as anyone. Only problem is my understanding didn't get me rich. Man/Bear/Pig is now worth about $100 million, thanks to people like you.

Anonymous said...

"No, I'm saying everyone is innocent regarding the invasion."

Well this makes it nice for the 2 criminals who invaded the wrong country. I guess I didn't get the memo about SH being responsible for 911.

I think all that high-fructose corn syrup, GMOs and trans-fats have destroyed your brain. Oh wait, you don't believe in all that. Just drive around Wal-Mart in your wheel chair and you can see what ill effects garbarge food has had on Americans. Corporations are our friends, they said our bodies process HF corn-syrup just like sugar so it must be true.

I wish you had the same passion about your war loving profiteers, as you do about scientists. If only those pesky scientists would quit blabbering about the polar ice caps melting! Who cares? They're just making it up for profit!

Go back to your highly processed food that GM says is good for you, there's no hope.

Foxy Wizard said...

"...high-fructose corn syrup, GMOs and trans-fats have destroyed your brain..." Now it's on to that, huh. You got nuthin'. Your arguments are without merit, disproved and smashed, so you switch topics (again) and heap on the insults.

CrabbyOldMan said...

You got nuthin'. Your arguments are without merit, disproved and smashed

Foxy Wizard, that has been true of Enemas from the git go.
By the way, I don't think that Enemas has ever had a brain to destroy anyway.

Anonymous said...

You have to laugh at Foxy Wizard who says that others don't have an argument. Who could possibly come up with a rebuttal to:"...I believe in global warming. When the sun comes up it's warm.....when the sun "goes down" it cools off..."?

That is the argument of a first grader. It is nonsensical to say others have nothing when you present first grade arguments along with lies you learned from the right wing media--of course, no one can argue against child-like ideas along with out and out lies taken from r.wing radio zealots.

You are just like that other brain trust, Palin. If it is cold where she happens to be, well there you have it. You and Ms. Big Gulp are he__ bent on knowing nothing. It's now called climate change because as new knowledge is acquired, people called scientists will adapt, create new theories and possibly--gasp, hold on, change a name if appropriate. That's because their brains are not fried and dim like Palin's. They expand on knowledge where as her brain is constantly contracting.

Your cycle babbling means nothing without talking about the levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. There is too much for the environment to absorb. It would be good to know if it could be reversed or slowed down. We won't find out the answer asking Ms. Big Gulp.

So, as usual, you and everyone else on this site can only argue what you have been told w/r.wing talking points. YOU HAVE NOTHING ELSE.

And, please, enough of the "you are insulting" baloney! I don't know what you all are drinking and smoking, but you seem to have no awareness of your own behaviors; you all insult people in almost every post. You can, of course, but don't say anything if it is hurled back at you because it makes you even more maniacal.

The topic was switched as a way to explain the bizarre behavior exhibited on this site.

Anonymous said...

Foxy-What can I say so that you can see the difference between the Democrats you have listed who are merely TALKING about Saddam Hussein being a tyrant and GWB starting an illegal war and attacking the wrong country after 911. Can you comprehend that Gore, Clinton, Kerry, Pelosi and Obama were not in charge? GWB was the commander in chief. How is this without merit? How have you disproved this??? How is it that GWDC are innocent of war crimes?

If topics are switched just pretend I'm a repub. then it's A-ok.

Anonymous said...

As for "STEVE", you are obviously so astute, that you think only "anonymous" has a "moniker". For your sake, one can only hope you realize that "Foxy Wizard", "SoLow", "CrabbyOldMan", etc. aren't their real names.

Also, you can keep living in your republican fantasy land and give quotes attributed to just Democrats. They are useless without the interspersing of the quotes of the principals involved. So save your quotes if they don't include any from the two lying Commanders in Chiefs, Rumsfeld, Rice, Wolfowitz, etc. Bush was given the power to make the final decision. OWN IT!

Why do you all run like mad from your cheerleading of the two community disorganizers? Their "leadership" was so inept that what they presented and sold was a war that would end relatively shortly, would be shock and awe and voila! liberation, peace, love. Because everyone knows that's the history of the Middle East, right? Too stupid! "Man-Up! (If you can, guffaw!) Take personal responsibility for your horrible choice of supporting cowardly men whose policies killed and maimed tens of thousands. You are all very pro-life!

A few weeks ago, DC said himself he would do it all again. He took responsibility, now you should, too. Of course, he means he would do it for profit again.

By the way, Dick Cheney had the oil fields divided up long before the war started. He sent Scooter Libbey to the NY Times to plant false stories with the help of a NYTimes reporter. That was the Bush Administration--not any one else. Don't you remember??

And of course, as we all know, they used the premise of 911 to attack the wrong country. Bush and Cheney told the inspectors to get the he__ out of the way: the war profiteering was about to commence. They profited. Not the Clintons. The profits have been reaped by Bush, Cheney and their family and friends.

The two mismanagers also crashed the economy. What is wrong with this country are people like you who listen to r.wing radio and think you are one the republicans benefitting from "conservative" policies.

I have news for you. You are not even remotely close to being a beneficiary of republican "lawmakers". You have to be at the very top where the Bushes, Cheney, Romney, their corporate friends, etc. reside to be reap the benefits of their policies.

They are chicken hawks and liars. And you are just carrying their water everyday. Good luck!! LOL!

Anonymous said...

Hey "Anonymous" - look. I can post as Anonymous too. And, unlike you, I can do it without insulting people. As far as Crabby, Foxy, Zelda- they're all long-time contributors to the board.

For your information, I have not posted a single quote about Democrats. That was done by someone else.


What was it that collapsed? The Housing market lead to the current economic downturn? Why, wasn't Barney Frank and Chuck Schumer vigorously defending Fannie and Freddie (who were only doing President Clinton's expansion of low-incoming housing bonanza for low-income voters), while McCain and Bush were questioning it 3 and 5 years before it actually collapsed?

The Federal Economy first passes the House of Representatives and is ratified by the Senate. When did the federal spending start free-fall? Why, I do believe that it was when Nancy Pelosi was Speaker of the House, with Harry Reid as Chair of the Senate. Both Democrats, in case you've forgotten. But, no matter- as Harry Reid hasn't called a single budget passed by the House of Representatives in the last 4 years, it's all good.

This current administration, with passing both the Stimulus (Shovel NOT Ready Jobs)- with the monies going to Unions, which typically donate 95+% of all political donations to Democratic candidates) and the (Not-so) Affordable Health Care Act has continued the economic malaise. You have employers cutting back FT employees to PT specifically because of the AHCA - which just expands the welfare and food stamp rolls. Congratulations- Democratic policies just made more people suck off the government teat.


Another fact: Operation Freedom was going on the intelligence of more than just our country. Israel, Germany, France, England, etc. al. ALL believed Saddam Hussein had Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMDs).

"Oil for Blood" was not the reason, as much as it was a rallying cry of liberals who somehow believe that singing Kumbiya will somehow solve dictators and jihadist issues. Guess what- they'll be more than happy to blow your head to smithereens, too.

BUT: considering this thread is about issues pertaining to the current scandals around the current POTUS, why are you bringing up the previous administration?

Is it because you somehow believe that everything is still to be attributed to President Bush and the previous administration, even though it has been over 4¼ years since Obama was sworn into office?

-- Steve

Foxy Wizard said...

"cycle babbling?" LOL! Let me help you out there... I believe the term you are looking for is psycho-babble.

You really are a parody of yourself, and I have enjoyed our little chat.

Foxy Wizard said...

Anonymous, to make it fair, I have posted a link to CLIMATEPROGRESS. They have a page called "99 One-Liners Rebutting Denier Talking Points."

It starts out with "Progressives should know the disinformers’ most commonly used arguments — and how to answer them crisply." they continue "most of the time your best response is to give the pithiest response possible, and then refer people to a specific website that has a more detailed scientific explanation"

I'd say you're doing a pretty good job on the "pithy" part, but you may want to work on the "detailed scientific explanation", given your side has been caught cooking the books repeatedly.

Mostly, though, I want you to know I'm proud to know you, anonymous. To brave the blogs of unwashed Neanderthals every day, taking their steenking abuse, has to be hard on someone as refined and sophisticated as yourself. This shows you have courage, and the resolve to help save our Precious Gaia. She will reward you richly.

CrabbyOldMan said...

I just don't know where to start. Enemas has SO many raw nerves. Most head cases do.

Tom said...

Steve- "considering this thread is about issues pertaining to the current scandals around the current POTUS, why are you bringing up the previous administration?

Is it because you somehow believe that everything is still to be attributed to President Bush and the previous administration, even though it has been over 4¼ years since Obama was sworn into office?"

First of all, since you're all so upset by the Anon. postings, I will start calling myself "Tom". There, does that make everyone feel better?

"And, unlike you, I can do it without insulting people. As far as Crabby, Foxy, Zelda- they're all long-time contributors to the board."

So, because they are long-time contributors it is ok to insult people? Let's see if they can do with Tom what they have done with the name Nate...

The reason the previous administration was brought up is because you are talking about impeaching Obama. Can you see the hypocrisy in this? You gave the criminals-in-chief W/DC a free ride for war crimes but now Obama is to be impeached/or resign? It's a big joke.

Have you ever heard of 'saving your breath to cool your porridge'???

Tom said...

COM-Why don't you start by replying to the link I sent you about the "journalist" lying on FOX? Put all your little cutesy enema sayings on the back burner for a minute and actually respond.

"Precious Gaia. She will reward you richly." More cutesy sayings from Foxy as well, can you just man-up and take responsibility for W/DC disastrous war?

Steve- I'm sorry, but 4.5 years is the blink of an eye, and we will be talking about Bush and Cheney's illegal war for many, many, many years to come. This is not going away. You cannot do what they did and just hope that everyone forgets about it. It cannot be blamed on Clinton and the ruined economy cannot be blamed on Obama. Bush did trillions of $ in damage, killed and maimed thousands, these facts are not going anywhere anytime soon. He will go down in history as the worst president in history, sorry about that fact as well.

Foxy Wizard said...

Welcome to the fold, Tom. I told you to man up. Apparently, you liked that expression so you said the same thing back three times in different sections.

In the last one,you told me to man up and take responsibility for the war on Iraq.

So, as Obama would say: Let me be clear. I supported and still support the invasion of Iraq, led by George Walker Bush. I take full responsibility for that support.I salute the troops who gave their all so 33 million Iraqis could have the opportunity to be free. I salute President Bush for having the courage to rid the middle east of this tyrant, even when the going got tough and the same Democrats who urged him to lead us to war turned on him and the troops they sent into battle.

I also take full responsibility for my meager part in this war effort, that of supporting our President as he did what his predecessor didn't have the courage to do.

Shame of those who urged the President to invade Iraq, then turned on the troops when the going got tough.

Furthermore, may I say that I am an unabashed Patriot, believer in the Sovereignty of the states and the individual, a Tea Party activist (in my own little way), an unrepentant Libertarian, occasional Republican supporter and seldom a Democrat/Marxist supporter.

I am also a Christian Minister, dedicated to freedom of speech, freedom of worship, of private property, of the right to bear arms, etc.

CrabbyOldMan said...

Well Tom, speaking for myself and, I think, most of the others as well, it's because we gave up trying to have any sort of intelligent discussion with you.
You, Nit, Malarkey and Reliably Blathers Bilge all keep recycling the same tired collection of easily disproved false premises and talking points. You never are able to actually defend your points. Rather, you change the subject or reply to some straw man argument.
Your recent exchanges with Foxy Wizard are examples.
You persist in wasting everyone’s time, so to salvage some of that time, I engage in the sport of ridiculing you.
“Enemas” is not only connected phonetically, it accurately reflects the content of your comments. If you don’t want to clean up your act, be happy with Enemas.

Anonymous said...

Crabs: Only a person with a profound mental problem, such as yourself, doesn't recognize their own maniacal behavior. You repeat the same few sentences over and over again. How much medication and/or alcohol are you taking in that you do not recognize your repetition problem?

Admit that you cannot answer back because it isn't in the republican talking points.

For someone who cannot write a sentence correctly, insults others rather than relying on content, and repeats the same posts, you certainly have a lot of rules for others! Too funny and too bizarre! It is typical republican un-selfaware behavior, though.

Where is your answer about the Conference in Wannssee? You pretend to want content, but you actually can't answer anything. You have nothing but time to waste.

Anonymous said...

Foxy Wizard?! - Okay. Whatever you say. Yes, I'm a Christian Minister as well. A minister lying for the republican party in order to keep getting the check? There's something you don't see everyday. What do you do in your second job? Republicans: so ashamed to admit to being a republican, but working for the cause none the less.

How utterly cowardly, but expected, that you and others like you will not admit to cheerleading and loving the war. Bush was given power to decide by Congress. He and Cheney had these plans before 911; the decision came long before the towers came down. The Party of Personal Responsibility never want to take responsibility for their horrible decisions and horrible "leaders". One cannot blame them, but it is so pathetic.

Of course you had a "minor' role in the war: chicken hawks rarely are center stage. You probably shouldn't talk about others "manning up". You are the one who cheerlead the war, preacher (guffaw). You all turned your backs on the coffins coming back, just like your two putrid chicken hawk heroes, and have turned your back on their injuries. You also want them used instead of drones because, it isn't your "minister" behind on the line, so whatever.

A TPer! So a person who believes they are above paying taxes so the rest of us can pick up the slack. As a TPer, you aren't saluting anything. You hate the govt. and couldn't care less about the troops except as something to hide behind.

Please, you love dictatorships, marxist or otherwise. Unless you are just like the Bush/Family and DCheney, you love them very much until suddenly you don't. Remember, Rummy and Bush Senior loved Saddam and Noriega, then the love affair went south. Their romances always end tragically--for others; not the CHs.

And, as usual, people who tell others to be "ashamed" or say "shame on you", are always the ones hiding something.

The fact you actually find comfort from the anonymous poster using "Tom" shows your level of intelligence. I hope you don't use that same type of "logic" on your "flock"!

CrabbyOldMan said...

Enemas, your 11:17 AM and 11:47 AM rants illustrate why we gave up trying to have any sort of intelligent discussion with you.

You are the one who claimed the minutes of the Wannsee Conference prove Hitler’s guilt. It is up to you to provide the source.

By the way, even if all your allegations about Bush, Cheney and every other Republican who ever existed were actually true, which they are not, a Christian Minister should know that bad behavior is never justified by other bad behavior.

What is your church? Where did you go to divinity school?

Tom said...


"I also take full responsibility for my meager part in this war effort, that of supporting our President as he did what his predecessor didn't have the courage to do."

What would that be, invading the wrong country for profit?

Anon.- I also wonder why Republics never want to admit that they are one...and they will never admit that they watch FOX or listen to r.wing radio? Where DO all their supporters come from then?

COM- you want to have an "intelligent discussion" with people you call 'Nit, Malarky,Enemas'...etc. and you wonder why they don't reply to you?

"You never are able to actually defend your points. Rather, you change the subject or reply to some straw man argument."

You do realize this is you, right?

"What is your church? Where did you go to divinity school? "

Why don't you ask this of Foxy?

What kind of Christian Minister spends time on a blog like this? If I knew my priest were on this blog I would switch to a different church.

Zelda said...

What is with all these butthurt trolls? They post anonymously, expect us to be able to differentiate, and then mysteriously throw out Nate's name. It's just so weird and stalkerish.

However, if anyone wants to ignore them, I'm curious as to what the general consensus is regarding the London beheading? Is the war on terror ongoing or is this (yet another) one off event?

CrabbyOldMan said...

Zelda, I'd say that the war is ongoing.
From what little information we have, I think that the London two are very expendable, easily manipulated head cases.

Foxy Wizard said...

I'm done with the Troll.

I'd say we are under attack by the Muslim Jihadists. Nothing has changed.

Tom said...

"I'm curious as to what the general consensus is regarding the London beheading?"

Foxy- Zelda is off topic, why didn't you say anything? We are not talking about the incident in London on this thread.

"I'm done with the Troll."

In other words, you will not admit that GWDC are war criminals. Whenever repubs. can't answer a question they bring out the word troll.

COM- I don't think Anon. is a Christian Minister, they probably just couldn't believe that FOXY is one since he/she is posting here.

rbb said...

Nixon did not actually do any of that

Nutters crack me up.

CrabbyOldMan said...

you will not admit that GWDC are war criminals

I won't admit that the world is flat either.

Steve said...

Anonymous Tom said...

"I'm curious as to what the general consensus is regarding the London beheading?"

Foxy- Zelda is off topic, why didn't you say anything? We are not talking about the incident in London on this thread.


Yes, this thread was about Obama being impeached for the various things he's done while in office- I can name at least 5 very questionable, perhaps even criminal, things off of the top of my head, starting with Fast & Furious and proceeding down the list- before you started commenting on this thread.

You did such a wonderful job sitting there hijacking the thread and pointing at "BushHitlerCheneyHalliburtonWarCrime!" - all without anything resembling an iota of proof, mind you - that someone else wants to talk about YET ANOTHER Muslim attack, it's suddenly off topic?

Tom, do you see the double-standards?

-- Steve

Tom said...

"I can name at least 5 very questionable, perhaps even criminal, things off of the top of my head, starting with Fast & Furious and proceeding down the list- before you started commenting on this thread."

Great right-wing talking points, did you have a problem with Fast & Furious under the Bush Administration?

Even if I showed you actual footage of GWB holding a gun to someones head and pulling the trigger you wouldn't believe it. If you believe that Obama is guilty and GB/DC are innocent then there really isn't anything to discuss. Lying about WMDs, attacking the wrong country and illegal torture are all ok with you, great. If you're Catholic you need to go to confession....

Yes, I do see the double-standards...Republics can go off topic on any thread whenever they like and Democrats cannot.

Steve said...

Fast and Furious started underneath President Obama, with Eric Holder as the Attorney General. Of course, this is all President Bush's fault!

WMDs- the US Intelligence community, the UK Intelligence Community, France's & Germany's and Israel's Intelligence communities all believed there were WMDs. I remember specifically debunking you on this almost a week ago. Your (continued) response: Blame Bush!

Sun rises in the East? Blame Bush.

Stub your toe? Blame Bush.


As far as the video you have of GWB holding a gun to someone's head and pulling the trigger- sorry you can't show that to me. It's so very hard transmitting a liberal's wet dreams to anyone else...

Tom- Please, for the love of all that's holy, take off Timothy Leary's glasses, move out of your opium den, and start breathing FRESH air. Opening your eyes to what's actually going on may also help.

-- Steve

Tom said...

Steve (blonde sagacity?)-

"WMDs- the US Intelligence community, the UK Intelligence Community, France's & Germany's and Israel's Intelligence communities all believed there were WMDs. I remember specifically debunking you on this almost a week ago. Your (continued) response: Blame Bush!"

Your response: You better not Blame Bush or Dick for anything!

For the millionth time: It doesn't matter if aliens thought there were WMDs, Bush was Commander-in-Chief at the time. Bush started the war. Bush is responsible for thousands being dead or maimed. BUSH and CHENEY are responsible. Not Clinton, Kerry, Obama, Pelosi, Gore, Germany or France. JUST BUSH. No one, including Bush Sr., thought that we were in such danger that we had to enter into a war right away. Bush junior did so junior is responsible.

In your mind Obama is responsible for everything, Bush nothing. How does that work?

"move out of your opium den, and start breathing FRESH air"...I believe you have been listening to your idol, the drugster Rush, for too long.

Tom said...

correction: Bush jr. didn't really think we were in danger, he just wanted to start a war, ($).

Steve said...

Anonymous Tom, as I said:

4½ years later, it's still Blame Bush with you and your ilk. Here's a secret- in order for us to go to war, it had to pass both houses of Congress- so President Bush didn't act alone. He also said that the decision to enter Iraq was his biggest regret (

BUT, as I said before- You stub your toe, Blame Bush.

As far as the dead and wounded- there have been more injuries and fatalities in Iraq during Obama's Presidency when compared to Bush's Presidency. Please don't let the facts get in the way though- it's all Bush's fault!

The funny thing- I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh. I do find it hilarious how much KosKids and HuffPo contributors get themselves worked up into SUCH a lather whenever it comes to the 'eeeeevil' Rush Limbaugh, President Bush's 8 years, or the fact that there's more people watching FOX News than all other cable news channels combined. You wouldn't happen to be getting your 'news' from the DailyKOS or Huffington Post now, would you? (That would explain the Timothy Leary glasses, at least.)

-- Steve

Steve said...

Hmm... using your logic (of the 9:29 am post):

Obama was the President when program Fast & Furious was STARTED, resulting in 2 dead Border Patrol Agents and over 300 dead Mexicans. I did find it interesting you didn't say anything about this in your last response.

How about all of the money given to the likes of Solyndra and other "Green" Energy jobs? Can't tell me that President Obama had nothing to do with that- heck, VP Biden was at the photo-op in Sept 2009! March 26 2010, Obama says it's a model of clean tech and job creation! And, less than 18 months later, it folds. Well, at least we know what models President Obama is aiming for... throwing taxpayer's money after bad tech and non-jobs. We've been talking about 'green energy' since President Carter. 35 years later, and the only 'green' that the energy turns out to be is the amount of money that's vacuumed up with nothing worthwhile to show for it.)

Speaking of jobs- WONDERFUL job creation record. The only reason that the unemployment rate is so low is that so many people aren't being counted anymore because they've been unemployed for so long. When your monthly job creation numbers are LOWER than your population growth, you can't call that a "Recovery". This administration has been calling it that for the last 4 years. (Reagan turned Carter's complete clusterfuck around within 18 months.)

How about that Bengazi? 4 Americans dead, including our Ambassador. Pictures of an empty Situation Room probably is EXACTLY what this PotUS believed in.

I could go on and on- but even 'news stations' you watch had something about the latest scandals (even if it was to defend and deflect, even sometimes call them 'kurfluffles')- so why, exactly, shouldn't President Obama (not a FORMER resident of the White House) be held accountable?

I know what your response is going to be, Tom- it's "Blame Bush!"

CrabbyOldMan said...

Steve, the Twit lives in a world populated by fools who are all controlled by a handful of knaves.
Twit, Enemas, Nit just keep recycling the same tired, refuted rubbish the knaves feed them. There have been several others who comment here who have also used facts and logic to refute their blather. Unfortunately, all that has done is to trigger further replays.
You may as well try to convince a compulsive gambler that he really cannot beat the house.

Wendell said...

Been away a long time, but glad to see there are still liberals around that prove, once again, they are dumber than dirt! Also glad to see the old stalwarts, Crabby, Foxy, Haverwilde, Free, etc., are still around to smack them down.

Foxy Wizard said...

It isn't hard to smack down the Liberals. Just confront them with facts and logic. Oh, but I mean real facts, like actual videos of what people said, and what not. Not what they call facts; lies, distortions, assertions made with no factual basis.

When you try to bring logic and reason to them, they lash out with insults, what certain sites where they get their talking points call "pithy remarks".

I don't smack them down because I think they will learn anything. They appear to be driven by hate and intolerance. I smack them down because there are many folks who visit this site who are just now getting interested/involved in the political process. I do it for them.

And the really vicious Trolls come across for what they really are- tools for the Progressives/Marxists.

Anonymous said...

Foxy Wizard and all the other Goosestepping Nazi/Fascists: Republicans are so lame thinking they could smack down someone with there inept language skills. None of you realizes that everyone else in America is well aware you and every other republican in the country are all using the same republican talking points: everyday, across America Republicans march on to various site saying the same few phrases over and over.

What you amazingly and mistakenly like to think as facts and logic simply cannot be because you all are not in possession of either. It all a dream in little minds. Sorry to tell you because your fantasies about your intellectual capabilities are all that are keeping you going.

Oh, kings of un-selfawareness: you all lash out with insults, distortion and lies: yes, calling people Marxists is an insult. Are you that not in possession of you faculties to know that? Are you really that unaware of what you write? Being a hypocrite is very unChristian. Everyone in the Country is aware of Republican duplicity (new word alert for you to learn) so you really need a better, more coherent game plan other than insults, lies, distortions and then try to pretend (or maybe you cannot actually remember! Sad) you aren't doing exactly what you accuse other of doing. Get some self-awareness in your life.

Just keep in mind: when you call names, you are going to get some choice names right back at you. That's how it goes.

Anonymous said...

STEVE, otherwise known as Blonde Sagacity: Republicans are all together too pathetic. Eight years of Bush and Cheney and those two goofballs are not responsible for one thing that happened. Not one thing in eight long years. What incompetent morons those two are/were.

It's funny, Blondie, but when Bush landed on the aircraft carrier with MISSION ACCOMPLISHED looming behind him; disgustingly wearing a uniform he didn't deserve to be in, he wanted all the glory and all the credit. He didn't have Hillary or all the Senate and all the Congress there and saying; "these are the people we really should thank". (Of course, the liar then back tracked and wouldn't take credit for the sign! LOSER!) On that aircraft carrier it was all Bush. It was all his doing and his glory.

Dick Cheney a few weeks ago took credit for the war and the chicken hawk said he would do it all again because, hey, it wasn't his cowardly lard___ on the line, so why not do it again? Over the years he has probably thought of other ways he could have profited off death and destruction. The Party of Personal Responsibility should be like Dick and take responsibility for the wars you ALL happily sat in your armchairs cheering on.

And guess what? Congress gave the two liars the power so they could use it as they saw fit and when they wanted to act. IN OTHER WORDS, IT WAS BUSH AND CHENEY'S CALL--they didn't have to do it at all if they didn't want to. How dumb of Congress to not know that a couple of cowards like them could not conduct a war any better than they could an economy. Congress and foreign governments had all the same corrupted intelligence. They would have had to view truthful information, not the garbage handed to them by that lying Administration who didn't care who died as long as they could profit.

Dick Cheney had the oil fields divided up well before the war, but you are so lame and so obtuse you can't read into what that means as far as the advance planning they had already undertaken way ahead of 9/11. They kicked out the weapons inspectors so the war profiteering could commence. The war was a forgone conclusion the minute they stepped into the WH. You wouldn't understand any of this because your brain doesn't work at the level necessary for any type of analysis. You just spew out the spoon fed lies the liars on talk radio tell you to.

Anonymous said...

Steve (BS): You can thank the immigration policies of RONALD REAGAN AND GEORGE BUSH if you don't like what is going on with immigration. Please do not even try to pretend you care about Mexican immigrant deaths, by the way. You can also thank all the companies that hire immigrants--that's why they come here; companies employ them. Don't you understand the connection? Too complex for you? Of course it is.

Is there really enough time in the day to explain to a person such as yourself who doesn't understand anything about investing how investments work; that there are risks involved and aren't sure things? Ask Warren Buffett how many investments he has made where he lost money. If you don't understand simple investing concepts, you aren't going to understand about Solyndra. You simply aren't smart enough to grasp what investing in a business means; so why even bring the subject up?

There is a solar power car from Tesla Motor Company; a company also invested in by the Obama Administration that is a HUGE SUCCESS. Now, if you were even remotely honest like you claim you are, you would have given credit where credit is due. Although, it probably isn't in your republican talking points or on right wing talk radio--they wouldn't want you to know about it.

It's easy to see that modern day Republicans, having been beaten down everyday, being made to feel depressed while listening to right wing radio/TV telling them to be afraid, be very, very afraid of life and everyone around them, do not possess one ounce of ingenuity or bravery or belief in reaching for goals in green energy or anything that takes imagination and risk. You are all afraid of your own shadows.

Here's some advice that might save you: take a break from right wing radio/TV -- it has soured your outlook on life, on your govt and your Country. You are a sad lot of people. Very sad.

P.S. QUIT PEDDLING YOUR LOAD pretending you care about 4 deaths in Benghazi when you do not care one bit about the deaths and injuries of TENS of THOUSANDS. What a FAKE!!

Anonymous said...

One more thing: GEORGE BUSH DID NOT NET ONE NEW JOB IN EIGHT YEARS. NOT ONE. HE HAD NEGATIVE JOB GROWTH. In his defense, though, he didn't care one wit if you or anyone else had a job. Like all Bushes, their main goal in office is profit for themselves and for their friends.

You'll be goose-stepping to the polls to vote for Jeb, none the less, in a few years. His families' off-shore accounts thank you kindly! Good luck lemmings!

Foxy Wizard said...


Roboto said...

...they could smack down someone with there inept language skills

Yes, they really ARE that stupid.

Roboto said...

you all lash out with insults, distortion and lies: yes, calling people Marxists is an insult.

Pretty funny from a post that BEGINS: Foxy Wizard and all the other Goosestepping Nazi/Fascists.

The jokes just write themselves...

Foxy Wizard said...

FROM WIKI, TESLA MOTORS... (My comments are in caps)

"In addition to his daily operational roles, Musk was the controlling investor in Tesla from the first financing round, funding the large majority of the Series A capital investment round of US$7.5 million with personal funds."


"The fourth round in May 2007 added another US$45 million and brought the total investments to over US$105 million through private financing."


"In June 2009 Tesla was approved to receive US$465 million in interest-bearing loans from the United States Department of Energy. The low-interest loans are not related to the "bailout" funds that GM and Chrysler have received, nor are they related to the 2009 economic stimulus package. The Department of Energy loan program was created in 2007 during the George Bush administration in order to get more fuel-efficient vehicle options to U.S. consumers and to decrease the country's dependence on foreign oil."




CrabbyOldMan said...

Foxy Wizard and Roberto left fingermarks on Enemas' cheek!

Tom said...

It would take a week to go back and point out all of the robots typos so I won't bother.

Crabs- Nope, wrong again. Just more lies that no one believes except for you morons.

Foxy Wizard said...

It's just a flesh wound?

Roboto said...

Misusing a homonym (look it up) is, by definition, NOT a 'typo'. A typo is hitting the wrong key (That's the 'typ' part of the word; it refers to 'typ'ing. Don't take my word for it, LOOK IT UP). Misusing that homonym THE WORD JUST BEFORE berating others for their "inept language skills" makes it hilarious, as well as illustrative of the character of the offending party.

Thank you for playing.

I repeat: Yes, they really ARE that stupid.

Tom said...

"I repeat: Yes, they really ARE that stupid."

Again, I repeat, anyone who voted for Bush (twice! hilarious) and the plastic Romney, takes the cake for being incredibly stupid.

Thank YOU for playing, but sorry, you lose again robots.

Roboto said...

Again, I repeat, anyone who voted for Bush (twice! hilarious) and the plastic Romney, takes the cake for being incredibly stupid.

When running against ManBearPig and the Massatwoshits orangeman, Bush wasn't that hard of a choice. (The other choices would have been, as you put it, 'incredibly stupid'.) And if you want to talk 'takes the cake for being incredibly stupid', voting for President Foodstamp not once, but twice, not only takes the cake, it takes the cake at gunpoint. It's called 'doubling down on stupid'.

Third time's the charm: Yes, they really ARE that stupid.

tom said...

If he were president foodstamp I don't think you would complain, since it would be a big benefit to you, I'm sure.

I would actually prefer money go to women and children (maj. of people living on food stamps), unlike you, who prefer the money be spent on useless, made-up war to kill the women and children- FOR PROFIT- by the 2 biggest chicken-hawk cowards the USA has ever had disgrace the White House. Dick and Bush.

Steve said...

Anonymous/Tom- it's Monday, and I'm back after taking the weekend off.

"...Republicans march on to various site (sic) saying the same few phrases over and over."

I'm not a Republican. I'm Conservative with Libertarian leanings. And, considering that (Liberals/Progressives/Democrats/whatever you guys want to call yourselves nowadays to make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside) continue pumping out the same lies day in and day out, then of course it's going to be combated with the truth.

Facts and Logic are not made up- but a lot of the Political Left's beliefs ARE. An example: Global Cooling was the "cause celebre" of the 1970s; Time had "The Next Ice Age" on it's cover, and the Political Left was all up in arms about aerosol cans making a whole in the ozone layer. Now, Al Gore LOST the 2000 election and he then went all enviro-nuts- dictating how everyone else (but him) should live- hypocritical with his 10k square foot house and jetting around to all of the environmental summits, taking limos to get from his hotel to the convention site half a block away.

The data used for "Global Warming / Climate Change" conveniently forgets subtle things such as, oh, the Medieval warming period, the data for the 1930's has been 'massaged' to more pleasing numbers, and the fact that as a whole there has been no Global Warming over the last 10+ years. Let's not forget the ClimateGate emails, either- where data manipulation was openly discussed.

On to your next blather point:
For the record: I'm not Blonde Sagacity.

Another blather point:
Bush & Cheney have taken more responsibility than you'd EVER give them credit for- but it's all a blame game for you. Reverend Wright, Fast & Furious, the IRS Scandals, Bengazi, David Rosen- just to name a few- and it isn't what Obama knew when he knew, it's who else can be thrown underneath the bus. During the initial campaign, it was Reverend Wright, then it was Hillary- who else is going to be sabotaged and sacrificed for the Oba-Messiah to continue to be worshiped by the Left?

President Bush appearing on the aircraft carrier was a mistake (of course, he admitted as such). President Bush, though, was a man who was flawed- but he did what he thought was BEST for the country. The economy went into a nose-dive once the Senate was under Harry Reid, and the House was under Nancy Pelosi. Then, Federal spending went out of control, Barney Frank and Chuck Schumer defended Freddie and Fannie vociferously - until they collapsed. Which leads us to the current situation, one made WORSE by Obama in the White House pushing the health care boondoggle, the largest tax increase in history, and showing disdain for our allies while apologizing to regimes who either wish they could be as prosperous as we are, or want to wipe us off the map.

Dick Cheney had the oil fields divided up well before the war... which is why China is the biggest exporter of Iraq oil fields today. (

I can't thank the immigration policies of Ronald Reagan and George Bush. When the Amnesty of the 1980's was reached, Amnesty was given to the Illegals in the country with the agreement that our borders would be secured. That didn't happen with the Democratic Congress.

Mexican immigrant deaths? Ummm... if we're talking Fast & Furious, the 300 Mexicans that have died are NOT immigrants, but Mexican natives, with guns that Obama's administration couldn't (or wouldn't) keep track of, which Obama has gone down to Mexico and apologized for, without taking responsibility for his administration's policies which helped CAUSE the damage!

Steve said...

I know more about investing and business than you could ever credit me for, having been involved in both for over 25 years. My government was NOT set up to pick winners and losers. Considering you probably haven't perused it in a while, I'll let you in on the opening paragraph of the Constitution of the United States of America: "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
Nothing there about abortions or birth control on demand (Obamacare). Nothing about investing. Nothing about Pigsford. Justice, Domestic Tranquility, Common Defense, and Promote the General Welfare.
Someone else already spanked you down on Tesla Motors. Thanks, Foxy Wizard- was an education. Didn't know anything about them.

Now, I don't listen to "right wing radio". I don't watch "right wing TV". I get my news from a variety of sources- including the NYT, as is evidenced by my link above- considered by many on the right to be not good enough to wrap fish in, but I'll peruse it on occasion to get balance to my news and views.

Bengazi- considering the fact that almost every OTHER country withdrew their consulates based upon the intelligence chatter, the fact that four Americans died there- including an ambassador- while our current administration sat on thier hands and did ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY nothing is a disgrace and a travesty. Deaths and Injuries of tens of thousands? You must be talking about abortion- where we have 35x the amount of human casualties in comparison to every single war we've been involved in since founding this country 230 years ago. Hell, we aren't even at the 10k mark of the Iraq war, and Obama has lost more American soldiers there than Bush did.

Steve said...

President Bush did not net one new job in eight years- sorry, but the BLS disagrees with that statement.
Employment records, January 2000: 130.7 million employed (, 64% workforce participation.
Employment records, January 2008: 137.9 million employed. (As above), about 63.2% workforce participation.
Employment Records, March 2011: 130.7 million employed. (As above), 58% workforce participation.

Matter of fact, seems that President Bush showed an increase of 7.2 million employed from 2000 to January 2008, with only a 0.8% drop in workforce participation. Obama seems to have list 7 million employees- and 5% of the workforce. Maybe that's why we're at our highest percentage of SNAP recipients in the entire history of the Food Stamp program.

Maybe we're calling you names because you're being proven wrong, time after time after time after time. You've been proven to be the fake you call me.

You want to be taken seriously, "Tom" ? Then stop pumping the bilge from the sewer tank you call your brain and start getting your facts straight.

Foxy Wizard said...

Good post, Steve. POW! mfff BAM! uhnn! SMAK! Liberal talking points crumble in the in the light of day.

Foxy Wizard said...

Also, remember Bush had this incident called 9-11, which sent the nations economy into a tailspin. Oh, yes, I know the loons and moon-barkers say it was an inside job, but...

Anonymous said...

Foxy Wizard just used insults. Points for the "Preacher"! Any points for yourself for being a HUGE hypocrite, "Rev"? Fun game. So easy to use on all the Republicans!

Anonymous said...

Hey, you can't say Bush's name! Glad to see Republicans here staying true to their nature--they set down rules they never can actually follow. Too funny!

"Rev." Foxy Wizard says: do what I say, not what I lamely do: that's the "conservative" way. You got to LOVE it!

Anonymous said...

"Steve" otherwise known as "B.S." is trying hard to distort Bushs' (points, I know) record of losing hundreds of thousand of jobs. Never gaining one net job. At one point losing 750,000 a month. Sorry you have to carry the heavy burden of propping up a pig like Bush and his record. (oops, more points).

Steve said...

Funny, that. I was using the Bureau of Labor Statistics numbers, from the beginning of President George W. Bush's term to the end of his term.

Your "never gaining one net job" is proven absurdly false. Again. During his two terms in office,

Meanwhile, Obama has lost 7 million jobs. Again, from the BLS. The Labor Participation Rate is lower than it ever was under President Bush. Again, from the BLS.

"Anonymous", do you have a problem with number comprehension? The numbers are out there that disprove your very poor attempt at character assassination- if you'd only care to look at them.

-- Steve

Roboto said...

But... but... but... you're using jobs created. If you were to use Comrade Zero's 'saved or created' numbers, Zero would lead the pack.

Wouldn't he? (After all, you can point to any job not yet lost as a 'saved' job, if using progressive math.)