Sunday, April 14, 2013

Hometown Horror

Why Dr. Kermit Gosnell's Trial Should Be a Front-Page Story (The photos in this story have disrupted my sleep for days...)



"The dead babies. The exploited women. The racism. The numerous governmental failures. It is thoroughly newsworthy."

This begs the question...are there those that would defend this man or this practice even among the staunchest of pro-choice activists?

And if not, what would they say be done with the babies breathing and writhing and BORN ALIVE after a failed abortion attempt?

Even one of FNC's resident libs is horrified and in a column recently stated: "Planned Parenthood recently claimed that the possibility of infants surviving late-term abortions was "highly unusual." The Gosnell case suggests otherwise."

From the grand jury report:

"This case is about a doctor who killed babies and endangered women. What we mean is that he regularly and illegally delivered live, viable babies in the third trimester of pregnancy - and then murdered these newborns by severing their spinal cords with scissors. The medical practice by which he carried out this business was a filthy fraud in which he overdosed his patients with dangerous drugs, spread venereal disease among them with infected instruments, perforated their wombs and bowels - and, on at least two occasions, caused their deaths."

Zelda said it best..."Weep for our souls."

157 comments:

CrabbyOldMan said...

I have heard of the story but haven't read any details. I readily agree that this is an indefensible horror story, ASSUMING IT IS TRUE AND HAS NOT BEEN EMBELISHED.
That said, these stories never address the questions as to why the women decided the abortion was necessary in the first place, and particularly why they elected to have a late term abortion. Furthermore, no one ever wants to say what percentage late term abortions are of all abortions. The post does not say how many abortions are covered by this story.
This matter will no doubt act to lather the abortion opponents into a frenzy comparable to that second amendment opponents are currently in. Neither group, incidentally, has shown itself to be open to rational arguments.
I have commented in the past at length on cases I am personally familiar with where the lives of the parents and siblings have been ruined because a severely defective fetus was not aborted. The abortion opponents might have a valid point if the FETUS were the only thing affected, but it is not.
The economics is another lengthy discussion.

Anonymous said...

Republicans only like bombs being dropped on babies that will most likely include the whole family. Then it can be far, far away and they do not have to think about the consequence of wars they cheerlead for and salivate over.

Anonymous said...

Republicans only like bombs being dropped on babies that will most likely include the whole family. Then it can be far, far away and they do not have to think about the consequence of wars they cheerlead for and salivate over.

Anonymous said...

P.S. Weep for the souls of all those killed in the bombings in Iraq and Afghanistan. You know, the ones involved in a war your republicans leaders lied about. The ones that you all loved watching during "Shock and Awe". Believe it or not, there were babies in those cities. And as always, no one believes that you fakes care about unborn babies, since when they are born you and your republican politicians have so much hatred toward them.

CrabbyOldMan said...

Hebrews 13:8 (King James Version) Enemas.
BEEP BEEP

Anonymous said...

Crabs: Your replay switch is stuck.

CrabbyOldMan said...

Enemas, it's a matter of bounce.

Anonymous said...

Crabs: If only you could make some sense.

Shawna said...

If it's convenient, it's ok. If it fulfills an agenda, it's a tragedy. People suck.

Anonymous said...

Shawna: Another Christian who doesn't mind bombs dropping on babies and their families. You sound like you are in eighth grade with your incredible language skills.

Shawna said...

Haha!

Anonymous said...

Shawna: Thanks for showing up front that you are another right winger who pretends to laugh (even though you have no sense of humor) because you cannot hold a conversation let alone present an actual argument.

And, yes, abortions have been convenient for all the republicans who have partaken in them. See how hypocritical they (you) are?

Shawna said...

How exactly do you KNOW I am a Christian or a republican? Maybe I just simply think abortion is murder. So yeah. Whatever you want to think. I laugh because you're so typical of the asshole that is so abundant in this world. I laugh because it keeps me from crying. So, yeah. Instead of embracing life, you can just keep on striking out at the people who do. Good night.

Anonymous said...

Only a complete dolt thinks a women goes out of their way to carry a baby to almost full term and then just decides she doesn't want the baby and has an abortion. Right wing "Christians" have delusions like this all the time about what women are doing. It is very good for church fundraising but is not part of reality, as usual.

Why don't groups protest at medical schools where such operations are taught to medical students? This would be getting down to brass tacks, as they say.

I think it isn't quite as fun because there aren't pregnant women walking in that these fake "right to life" protestors can terrorize and feel self-righteous toward. Especially the male protestors. UGH--what wimps.

And why can't men take some responsibility for their irresponsible behaviors that may cause some abortions to be sought? Keep your pants zipped more often and don't take so much Viagra.

Anonymous said...

Shawna: You are definitely a republican and a "Christian". You use expletives like every other repub on this site. Your language skills are at about middle school level so that says something about your IQ.

I don't find war loving people who cheerlead behind leaders who drop bombs on babies and their families all that embracing of life. Just nasty hypocrites.

Fearthuinn min an Saille said...

From one of those staunch pro-choicers....this man deserves to fry - literally - preferably with a knife, or some metal object inserted into his occipital while this is occurring.

As for the live births, they should be taken to the hospital. If the mother's don't want them, depending on the city's safe haven laws, let the hospital take care of them and the state arrange for an adoption.

And I'd also like for everyone who allowed this horror story to continue for this long to be lined up like a circuit and fry them at the same time.

(and the captcha on blogger sucks ass).

Haverwilde said...

As I have said before, I am pro-choice. I have no ethical problem with an abortion in the first half of gestation.
Having said that, this man is sick. As far as I am concerned if a baby is born living, and you kill it, it is murder.
This man needs to be sentenced to many life sentences, and never see the light of freedom again.
Any jerk who would support this quacks actions is a disgrace.

free0352 said...

This is why I go back and forth on the Death Penalty.

In his case, I'm on the death penalty side.

Roboto said...

And anonymous shows the compassion and tolerance for which the Left is famous, stomping on dead babies in order to badmouth anyone who does not agree with him, caring more about fictional "bombs on babies" then you do about proven vivisected newborns.

Stay classy, Lib.

You don't seem, for example, to have a problem with the Dem 'leaders' who 'lied' about wars. Do you need to be reminded about that? Is your attention span THAT short?

No need to answer, anyone who is sentient can answer it. And you wouldn't like the answer.

jane said...

Whatever the abortion rates are they would probably drop if MEN took some responsibility when it came to raising these babies.

Anonymous said...

Rob: Your fake compassion is always showing. You don't care about babies AT ALL. You just want to terrorize women at abortion clinics. It makes you feel tough. Pathetic and wimpy.

You would love your ridiculous argument to go unanswered. Republicans, the party of faux responsibility, NEVER takes responsibility for their leaders and their own bad decisions. There where republican leaders in the White House put there by republicans. The so called leaders passed on their lies to the Congress. Try as you might to push the responsibility on to others, you helped elect leaders who don't mind bombing babies. Why don't you just admit that you elected liars and you were more than happy to cheerlead for the wars that killed babies and their families especially during Shock and awe while you salivated over their deaths in front of you TV. Now you want to act high and mighty about abortions.

Here is a tip: stop terrorizing women going into abortion clinics. It really isn't helping your "manhood" or whatever it is you think you have.

Anonymous said...

He terrorizes women going into abortion clinics to try to gain manhood? Now that's classy.

Zelda said...

Abortion has never been about protecting the health of women. It has only ever been about controlling the population of "undesirables." That is why this clinic was allowed to operate in spite of reports of this monstrous activity.

And to compare the unintended consequences of fighting baby murdering terrorists to the intended consequences of abortion - to the extent where an abortionist felt safe enough to keep his tiny victims' feet as trophies - is deeply evil.

Zelda said...

He terrorizes women going into abortion clinics to try to gain manhood? Now that's classy.

You're talking about the woman butcher and baby killer Kermit Gosnell, right?

Anonymous said...

Abortion has never been about protecting the health of women? Never? A mother just died in childbirth in Ireland because they refused to take the baby, so she died along with the baby. You are so stupid that you actually think only the poor have abortions? Although, the thought of a Limbaugh baby is pretty undesirable...

Roboto said...

Once again, stay classy, I-don't-know-who-I-am.

Zelda said...

Gosnell severed live babies' spinal cords and kept their feet as trophies. Surely this warrants some attention without the usual pro-abortion distractions and equivocations. And surely you aren't trying to use a one time tragedy in Ireland to justify this monster.

This man was reported many, many times. And the precious, caring government did nothing. The pro-abortion lobby has no issue with live babies being left to die. You have to ask yourself why this is. If this is about women's health, then why not save a live baby?

Surely the health of women was in far more danger from setting foot in this hell hole than by having their babies. Why was this monster allowed to operate for decades? Why does the abortion lobby work so hard to prevent inspections and regulations of abortion facilities?

CrabbyOldMan said...

Hebrews 13:8 (King James Version)

Tater said...

Zelda dawlin, why on earth do you debate with a left wing moron? (Apologies for repeating myself). I don't even read his/her/its comments, much less debate with it. Seriously sweetie, "it" ain't worth your time.

Later

Zelda said...

You're right, Tater. On other issues, it's just fun to watch them get mad and go crazy. On this thread, there is no point. Anyone trying to minimize this is unreasonably evil.

Anonymous said...

Zelduh, no one is trying to minimize this. It's also fun to watch you get mad and go crazy, which you do, numerous times a day. Thanks to your hubby for your previous post, we all know you didn't write that.

Anonymous said...

Zelduh and Tater?(okay):

Did I just read that the obtuse one said abortion is never been about the health of the women

A little advice: Don't get your history lessons or medical advice from the town garage mechanic who is also the town preacher.

Did I just read that the sickos on this site who swear at others with the least provocation are calling people mad and crazy? Although, I forgot about your alcohol fueled memory loss so you probably don't remember yesterday let alone what you type on this site.

Since you are the great minimizers of wars that you salivate over while bombs are being dropped on babies and their families, it is easy to see who the evil ones are.

You have both come to the reasonable conclusion that you are all so hypocritical that there isn't any kind of stance you can take that doesn't show your glaring hypocrisies. Tater? wouldn't have the brains to debate and there for he/she/tuber? can't. Isn't,-- I'll use the vernacular most comfortable for folks like yourselves--ain't this true?

Commence with the swearing. You know you can't keep it in; you may explode. Come on, now, don't even try to hold it in.

Anonymous said...

Roboto": I have a question for you. How does this work: do you take your "loved" one around to the back and then you go to the front of the clinic and pick up your sign?

You must really think Zelduh, Shawna and possibly Tater (we don't know if that's a he/she/tuber) are your kind of women(?) You know; the kind that pretends to care about babies on the one hand and can chug a beer with the other, all the while swearing like a sailor.

Anonymous said...

No, Zelduh, I'm talking about Roboto and all the "men" on this site terrorizing women at abortion clinics with their picketing because 1. they don't actually like women 2. they are looking to find a little manhood for themselves.

Roboto said...

I hope to see babies (which are, if they follow gender percentages, more than half female) live because I "don't actually like women"? Only to a Leftist lemming could that make any sense.

Hoping babies avoid the abortionist's knife constitutes " looking to find a little manhood"? You're a special type of stupid, aren't you?

Waaay too much projection there, Mousy. I haven't (knowingly) been near an abortion factory, because I don't like standing that close to Hell.

BTW, with which personality am I conversing, Sybil?

Roboto said...

your kind of women
If you are referring to their ability to think for themselves, then I suppose you can put this down in your diary. You are finally correct about something.

(Your mommy told you it would happen eventually.)

Anonymous said...

Roboto: Don't scream at the women as they are going into the clinic. You are not going to find your manhood there. Are you defensive about standing near abortion clinics?

Is evwey thing too, too confusing for you? Can't understand more than one poster at a time? Don't go spinning when you find out Zelduh's hubby (whom she does not stalk) also uses "Zelduh" when he writes on this site.

Anonymous said...

Roboto: No, I'm talking about cussing, beer swilling, pretend to care about babies women like Zelduh, Shawna and Tuber(?).

Haverwilde said...

Tater,
Wise words. I won't read Anon AKA-Butthead's comments anymore either.
Too bad the Beavises keep giving it the attention it wants.

Oh well, let the Beavis and Butthead intelligence-destroying dis-cussing continue.

Zelda said...

No, Zelduh, I'm talking about Roboto and all the "men" on this site terrorizing women at abortion clinics with their picketing because 1. they don't actually like women 2. they are looking to find a little manhood for themselves.

Yes. Warning women away from psychotic butchers like Gosnell is so hateful. You Lefties are strange animals.

Zelda said...

Is this idiot really still babbling about everything other than Gosnell, the baby butcher? Woman Killer?

Anonymous said...

Zelda said it best, weep for our souls? This all sounds great but if any of you were actually sincere and caring when said babies need food and their mommys and daddys can't afford it you wouldn't go absolutely ballistic and call them parasites. Zelduh goes crazy if some poor kid is going to get a block of cheese. Such hypocrisy.

Anonymous said...

Zelduh: Does it cut a little to close to home about "men" terrorizing women at clinics? Only in your weird little world would you call yelling at women from a picket line "warning" them. You are totally out of your mind.

Haverwilde: Wow, cultural references from the '80s. This tells us everything. Tuber giving you your marching orders now? He/she is quite the potato.

Shawna said...

Wow. All this from Anonymous. At least Kay In Maine has a name! Good Lord!

Fearthuinn min an Saille said...

Shawna, a-men.

Roboto said...

I didn't see any "beer swilling" here; you made that up. I also haven't seen any "pretend to care about babies" from anyone on here but YOU.
It would appear that the only time you care about a baby's life is when it suits you. As has been stated previously, you don't care about abortions, late-term abortions, or the cold-blooded murder of just-delivered babies. You also don't seem to care about 0bama's killing of babies with drones. I'll bet if he had an (R) behind his name, you MIGHT start caring. You only seem to care about collateral damage, and not about specifically targeted babies.
You are nothing more, and nothing less, than a filthy hypocrite. With a filthy mouth, questionable morals, an aversion to logic and history, and poor grammar.

Zelda said...

Funny how the Lefty murderers insist that if you think people ought to be responsible for their own actions then it's okay to kill women and their babies and keep their little feet as trophies. "Oh, you don't want to support the irresponsible sex lives of the poor? Fine. We'll kill their children."

Anonymous said...

Zeldur,
This is interesting coming from someone who has been taught by Rush to be responsible for their own actions and even if you have starving BABIES, don't you dare ask for help. There's not much I can say to someone who thinks only the poor get abortions. I'm guessing if someone were chopping off the feet of children walking into a Headstart program you, zeldur, wouldn't think twice.

Robots, speaking of hypocrisy, why is it that you pretend to only care about the unborn babies? Once these babies are born and become, say a toddler, you are only more then happy to endorse lawmakers who want to cut all funding for children. Always plenty of money for wars. Headstart? Big Bird? WIC? Those are for parasites.

CrabbyOldMan said...

Seriously folks, I too have noticed that the more Enemas comments, and is subsequently smacked down, the wilder (he?)(she?)(it?) gets! I’d say we really do have a wacko progressively dissolving into a full blown inmate in the cuckoo’s nest.
I will try to resist either reading or responding to Enemas’ comments going forward. I have to admit however that it is hard for me to resist because it is soooo much fun!

Anonymous said...

Yes. Zelda using the term butthurt every other posting and calling our Michelle Obama raunchy names is really wacko. Not to mention the colorful postings from you, Crabs, and robots. Again,
Kettle. Black. You.

I agree, I can't resist either! Sooo much fun!

CrabbyOldMan said...

OFF TOPIC OFF TOPIC OFF TOPIC

The Boston bombing has grabbed all the media attention, so it will be interesting to see what the politicians (both State and Federal) will try to ram through while the public does not have its’ eye on the ball.

I for one am thankful that the politicians have focused on critical issues like magazine capacity, school bullying, homosexual “marriage” and making the rich pay their fair share of the taxes. After all, they might have wasted the public’s time and money pursuing sane national security and economic policies.

Zelda said...

The man kept baby feet in a jar and BabyKiller is all freaked out about being called butthurt and hearing that Michelle Obama is a fat hypocrite. It's all crazy in Leftyland.

Anonymous said...

For some reason Zelduh loves repeating that baby feet were kept in a jar, we're all aware, we heard the story...weirdo in Rightyland.

Anonymous said...

COM (or babykiller, as Zeldur would call you)...
Are you trying to equate school bullying with school shootings? Remind me again why you care if the wealthy pay their taxes? You're not suggesting that Obama is to blame for Boston are you?

Zelda said...

Shorter BabyKiller: "It's fine if he keeps his grisly little trophies just so long as I don't have to hear about it."

Hoss said...

So, now, a leftist abortionist is ready to be hung up and the lefties can only whine about Bush's war. Waaaahh, Bush's war, Bush's war. Remind me, was this the same war that was predicated on the "lies" that Bush told that he only repeated from the preceding democrats and intelligence reports. Yeah, thought so, but I'm sure those inconvenient facts wont stop chessmom. Don't worry, Obama got us all out of Iraq during the first year of his presidency right after he closed down Gitmo.

At least during war it's on accident, you leftists snuff babies like it's sport.

Anonymous said...

Oh, Bush's war was no accident. He said long before he was in office that if he ever got in he would start one. If you don't have a reason, you just start one, put on a jumpsuit, mission accomplished, leave the country in shambles and never even serve time. Amazing. Bush has way more blood on his hands then Kermit, I'm afraid.

Anonymous said...

Hi Cowboy Chicken Hawk: (Another Big Batch Baby Killer) The party of personal responsibility are such big whiners and babies they will never take responsibility for the horrible leadership they always stick this country with. The two inept "leaders" Bush and Cheney couldn't conduct a war or an economy. Bush was given an intelligence report that he totally ignored the first few months of his presidency. He has no shame, like most republicans, and will never accept blame.


You mistakenly thought that someone could easily fix those two community UNorganizers' disasters who were two of the worst "leaders" this country has ever produced. Remember in the future you moron: wars are not easy to get out of--except for sidelines like you cowering in your living room clutching your gun that you may end up accidentally shooting yourself with.


As for abortion, Mr. Wimpy, quit picking on women at abortion clinics so you can feel tough and manly.
It hasn't yet happened for you and it never will.
Why do you want bombs dropped on babies and their families, but you are pretending to care about them here in this country?

You think war ACCIDENTLY kills people? You are a complete moron, cowardly chicken hawk. You and others callously cheerlead for war while you sit in your barcolounger watching from safety. Coward!


BTW: You do know that you are answering your own stupid questions in your own head and then typing like someone has answered you, don't you? Are you another drunk republican or just your garden-variety paranoid?

Anonymous said...

Is that perpetual weirdo, Zelduh, still talking about babies' body parts? She is so strange and in need of psychotherapy.

Anonymous said...

Crabs: You do know that republican politicians love to focus on homosexual marriage? For some strange reason they really have a deep-seated fixation on it like most republicans. Very interesting from a psychological stand point.

Anonymous said...

Exactly why does Zelduh say "shorter" baby killer? Is she really that stupid that she doesn't know a bomb can take out a baby, a pregnant women, a family "out" in a split second? Or is a second not a "short" enough time to satisfy her when she is on the warpath with her fellow cowards?

Zelda said...

Try to focus, BabyKiller. This murderer isn't a bomber. He's an abortionist. He killed women. He dismembered babies both unborn and born alive. Hundreds and hundreds of them. You can't defend this by pointing to other crimes.

Anonymous said...

Yes, babies and women were killed in a horrific way...explain again why when Bush did the same thing you didn't care?

CrabbyOldMan said...

Hebrews 13:8 (King James Version)

Anonymous said...

Explain why Barack Obama did the same thing and you don't care.

Anonymous said...

Who said I don't care about women and babies being killed? That's you, psycho-babykiller.

Anonymous said...

You support abortion, that's baby killing. You don't care because you support killing babies, just like Obama.

Anonymous said...

Zeldur, I don't support abortion, what gave you that idea?

Anonymous said...

When did Obama do the same thing?

Anonymous said...

TO ALL BIG BATCH BABY KILLERS: None of the republicans on this site, war lovers all, cared if bombs were being dropped on babies and their families. You loved the "Shock and Awe" of it. To say that you watched bombs being dropped on a city and now try to claim that families would have been killed accidentally, shows how low republicans will stoop. Take responsibility for your support of Bush and Cheney's war based on lies. As things stand, none of you has the right to talk about or to feel superior toward any woman making a difficult decision of which is not based on the collective demented thoughts you have.

Only in the hollowed out recesses of your minds do you envision others undisturbed by this doctor. It's just a way for you to try to feel superior for some reason only you all know.

We are focused, Zelduh; you just don't like that we have focused like a laser on the hypocrisy of republicans on this site that call others "baby killer" yet don't mind babies, pregnant women and their families being bombed. You view war as a lark that is cheered on and reveled over--obviously not bothering to understand the human toll from the safety of your living rooms.

So, BBBKs, we are exactly on point--you just don't want to hear it. You want to hear your views and if they are laced with profanities. that suits your eighth grade mentalities all the more.

Hoss said...

How many "babies" killed in Iraq, and how many babies are snuffed every year by an abortionist. Your hands are covered in blood, nutjob.

Zelda said...

Full of shit as usual, BabyKiller. Babies being slaughtered by the abortionists Obama protects, and all you can do is wax psychotically on about Bush. What makes you think Obama's drone strikes don't kill families? He ONLY targets families. He's too big a pussy to target infrastructure and upset governments, so he strikes terrorists and their families without fanfare. He's a liar, and a murderer and you support him because you are a drooling hypocrite. So stay crazy, BabyKiller. No one will ever make my point better than you.

Anonymous said...

Ew, you are so gross, I guess women in Texas use that word. Are you a woman? I'm starting to doubt it. Speaking of hypocrites, even when your party had complete control they did nothing about abortion.

Anonymous said...


Zelduh is going berserk again. Coming down off another bender. Tell us more about the drone strikes. You always show yourself to be a bar-stolled hag with your incredible disgusting language skills.

Cowboy says: babies killed by choice in bomb strikes is A-OK at the OK corral.

Anonymous said...

Cowboy says: the killing of those babies was an accident when that bomber flew over their homes and dropped a bomb.

Anonymous said...

Nice try, moron. I'm not Zelda. You're obviously too stupid to figure out that another person can use an anonymous ID.

And actually, I'm a non-interventionist. I didn't support the wars.

So, why again do you support baby killing Obama?

Anonymous said...

Apparently you are the moron since the post says "Zel(duh) said" with her name in glaring blue letters. Another BSer who cannot read. Unless of course a certain someone (whom she is not stalking) is answering for her.

Republicans, like yourself, always lie about their supporting roles in wars that their leaders wage. It's always "who me, I didn't support that", when their horrible leaders make their usual inept decisions and tell their lies and disaster follows as it inevitably does.

Bush and Cheney are the big batch baby killers and you know you are lying when you say you didn't support their chicken hawk-lead war. You just don't have an answer for not caring about bombs dropped on babies and cheering it on.

Here I am responding to an illiterate who can't even read and understand a simple message board to comprehend which poster is being responding to. Not only is her name clearly at the top of her post, anyone would recognize her profanity laced prose regardless of what name she put. Of course, even an illiterate like you could type her name and swear--its everyone's greatest talent on the site. Your simple minds are easy to decipher.

Your first sentence shows how, as usual, none of you ever has an original response. The word "parrot" always comes to mind when any of you respond using almost the same phrases as what has been said to you. It does, however, mean it might be sinking in, finally, that "Anonymous" can be used by more than one poster. A simple concept that alludes the republicans on this site.

Zelda said...

You are absolutely deranged, BabyKiller. You can't justify your vote in context of your accusations, so you go on hysterical offense. But you and Obama are everything you accuse others of being. Obama bombs children. He supports abortion, including the infanticide of children who have been born alive. Nothing you say changes this. So by all means keep going nuts.

Anonymous said...

Zelduh:

You are so ashamed of cheerleading the bombing of babies, pregnant women and their families so you at grasp at anything, and parrot others, as much as you can to justify your lack of conscience.

Someone who goes wild using profanity if she doesn't get the answer she wants shouldn't talk about others going nuts.

I think your nerves are so shot you think others are hysterical when merely pointing out your hypocrisy.
Do not start cursing "a blue streak" when you read this.

Please tell us all about the drone strikes. Actual facts; not what's in your putty-filled brain or what the lame-brained right wing radio hosts tell you.

Take a good, long look in the mirror and see the big batch baby killer that you are. Let me guess: you are going to tell me to look in the mirror. Parrot. Sqwak!

Zelda said...

Gosnell murdered babies, snipped their spinal cords, and dismembered them. He forced women to have abortions, gave them diseases, and killed them. And you, BabyKiller, don't want anyone to talk about it. Ask yourself why, you sick freak.

Anonymous said...

Zelduh: Who is going to be able to stop you from talking?

The demented repubs on this site swear at Dems and then when are called names back believe they are being barred from typing. If you can take the time to type profanity, you have all the time you want to talk about the doctor.

You and others, however, call Dems baby killers, so, of course, you are going to be called baby killers back for complicity in wars that kill babies, pregnant women and their families. Why do any of you feel you get a free pass with your hypocritical stances?

The horrors of this doctor are apparent to anyone, but, there is horror to war as well. Bombs being dropped on babies born or unborn are going to also dismember and kill. War can also lead to disease when fresh water isn't available or sanitation problems arise.

So, you see, when you feel free to call others baby killers, it sets you up to be scrutinized and republicans never fare well when scrutinized. They want to come off as pro-life, which is fine, except for the one small problem of war. They are opposite stances that are hard to reconcile. To follow blindly behind leaders who lie about reasons for war that equally kill, maim and, yes, dismember, and then never take a good look at what that means for people in war zones leaves republicans open to criticism about whether they are really pro-life.

You can get mad and use profanity, but you and your friends on this site suffer from lack of self-examination and what kind of hell war brings to babies and everyone else. It shouldn't be viewed like a sporting game or something to drool over.

Talk about this doctor, but calling others baby killers is hypocritical and the comments on this site are measured against the knowledge of eager, enthusiastic support of war.

free0352 said...

hERE CRABBY, GET OUT OF YOURSELF AND LEARN ABOUT THE BABIES. fETUS DESCRIBES WHAT TODDLER OR ADOLENCENT DESCRIBES...ALL THE SAME BABY AND THE CHILD - HE OR SHE (YES THEY KNOW)IS JUST KILLED. HOW ABOUT YOU EDUCATE YOURSELF- WATCH
THIS:http://www.youtube
.com/watch?v=tD4sjukHHWU

free0352 said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD4sjukHHWU

Anonymous said...

Free, really? It's 2am and you're not making any sense, go to bed.

CrabbyOldMan said...

Free0352 and some others in his camp may wish to start by visiting these sites:

civilliberty.about.com/od/abortion/tp/abortionmyths.htm

www.abort73.com › Facts About Abortion

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_termination_of_pregnancy

The quick take-aways are that about 1.5% of all abortions are late term ones, that twenty weeks is a very safe assumption for there to be any possibility of the fetus being sentient, and that the reasons given for such late term abortions are not the “convenience” reasons cited by the anti-abortion zealots.

Sentient: capable of feeling and perception
Soul: the complex of human attributes that manifests as consciousness, thought, feeling, and will, regarded as distinct from the physical body

Zelda said...

Well it's true. "Fetus" is just a term to describe a baby at a certain stage of development. The babykillers use it to dehumanize them as if the ancients didn't recognize the humanity of the unborn and had a specific term for them, but the Latin term (hold on to your brain cells, BabyKiller) is used to refer to offspring, including newly born offspring. "Fe" means 'to bear' or 'to suckle.'

Zelda said...

Gosnell's clinic would prove you wrong, Crabby. And you shouldn't believe anything from the pro-abortion websites. The pro-abortion lobby constantly fights regulations and even collecting statistics. They don't care about the Gosnells.

CrabbyOldMan said...

Zelda, I normally agree with what you have to say. Most of your comments are based on facts and sound reasoning. However, I have to say that you and some others apparently have succumbed to the anti-abortion propaganda to the exclusion of facts and logic.

Anonymous said...

Nice try, moron. I'm not Republican either. But bigoted extremists like you always like to stereotype. Don't you?

And of course, I'd have to be lying (in your bigoted eyes) to say that I never supported either of the Bush war mongers (or Obama war monger) because that would just throw your whole little stereotyping views out the window, wouldn't it? But, fine. Keep being the little bigot that you are. It just shows your hypocrisy even more.

You're just a mouthpiece for the hypocrites and extremists who criticized Bush for bombing babies, but you're silent when Obama does it.


Zelda said...

Zelda, I normally agree with what you have to say. Most of your comments are based on facts and sound reasoning. However, I have to say that you and some others apparently have succumbed to the anti-abortion propaganda to the exclusion of facts and logic.

Crabby, given what you know about the Left, what makes you think that they are suddenly being honest when it comes to abortion? This is their holy grail. It's why they would rather support terrorists than Republicans. These are people who would rabidly regulate every industry down to the last quark, but amazingly, don't care about regulating the abortion industry. It's creepy and insane.

Anonymous said...

Republicans always try to say the aren't Republicans.

The Big Batch Baby Killers are all out trying to justify their love and lust of war! They love bombs dropping on babies, pregnant women and their families.

Lie and pretend all you want.

Pro War = Pro Choice Baby Killing.

Pro War is NOT Pro-life. You can't claim both titles.

Fearthuinn min an Saille said...

Crabby, the evidence coming out of this guy's clinic has nothing to do with abortion rights. He just used abortion to accumulate trophies for his sick as fetish. He deserves to rot in hell, and so do the regulatory folk who ignored his staff and others who reported what was going on.

Abortion was just a means to an end, in this case.

Zelda said...

Abortionists are all sick fetishists.

Anonymous said...

Pro War = Big Batch Baby Killers.

Pro War does not = Pro Life.

Zelda said...

Bullshit. Fighting and killing religious psychopaths and despotic dictators who deliberately slaughter anyone who disagrees with them including their children is very pro-life.

Weird how you BabyKillers don't have a problem with either terrorists or abortionists.

Freemom said...

Crabby, the old viabiity argument is SO flawed - it does not measure the baby - it measures the medical care available to him or her. YOU would not be very viable naked on an ice flow in Alaska. Come into modern medicine and science Crabby...and explain viability in light of snowflake babies.

Freemom said...

DNA, in-vitro fertilization and surrogate motherhood all disprove your theory of when the life of an individual begins. Viability measures medicine available - not babies. The FACT is if YOUR mom chose abortion when YOU were a 6 week fetus it is YOU who would be dead. And the only difference between that 6 week fetus and the 30 week fetus is NOTHING...same DNA - only YOU find the 30 week old more charming. Is a geriatric more human than an adult? Is an adult ore human than an adolescent? Is ana adolescent more human than a child? Is a child more human than a toddler? Is a toddler more human than an infant? Is the infant more human than the fetus? ALL THE SAME HUMAN Crabby and without the right to life assured for ALL humans...there ARE no other rights. All we have to do is come up with some artificial measure to deny your personhood. History is replete with examples. THIS one is no different. We are permitting the legal killing of humans to solve socio economic problems and trying to dress it up as something pretty so we can live with ourselves. You are blinded by "age discriination." But don't worry, the generation we are killing will have their opportunity with us. We don't think fetuses are entitled to equal protection of the law because they are dependent...and so the next generation may decide geriatrics are not entitled to equal protection of the law because they are dependent. Karma...

Anonymous said...

Free- The elderly are tortured and killed everyday in this country and no one really cares. They are neglected in hospitals and nursing homes across the country and no one does anything. They are strapped down to beds and left to die...the only way anything would be done is if it were a dog or cat, then everyone would be outraged.

Zelda said...

The elderly are tortured and killed everyday in this country and no one really cares. They are neglected in hospitals and nursing homes across the country and no one does anything. They are strapped down to beds and left to die...the only way anything would be done is if it were a dog or cat, then everyone would be outraged.

Very true. Let's abort them.

Anonymous said...

Very true. Let's abort them.

Finally,BBBabyKiller is admitting that he/she doesn't care about abortion, or the elderly.

Zelda said...

Finally BabyKiller has gone full retard.

Freemom said...

As to the elderly...BK...we TOLD them they were next way back in 1973...but the boomers believed in "free love." They killed their children in the name of free love- and expect love back now? Karma - Also note - Freemom is not Free0352...but I know him.

Zelda said...

Kill the babies. Let the elderly rot in government homes. No one should have to take care of anyone else. That's the government's job. And the Left calls that compassion.

Anonymous said...

Zelduh, do you think the elderly are only being abused in government homes? Boy are you stupid. Dropping bombs on women and babies is the Rights idea of compassion.

Freemom,
If what you say about Karma is true then Bush & Cheney will be rotting together in HELL.

Anonymous said...

Freemom: First of all, spare us with "free love" referring to someone else. You are all into "free love"! Southern states have an incredibility high rate of teen pregnancy even though they pretend to be super religious. Why pretend you are all waiting for marriage or your next marriage or the one after that? "Conservatives" are just as into "free love" as anyone else. What fakes and frauds!

You warned the elderly back in 1973? Were they elderly then, too? Are they the same elderly as today? They seem to have longevity despite your warning. Why is this warning taking so long to come to fruition? Your warnings aren't so much predictions as they are signs of paranoia.

Republicans have A LOT to fear from karma!

Anonymous said...

No one on the Right will say why their party did nothing about abortion when they had complete control?



Zelda said...

do you think the elderly are only being abused in government homes?

So let's have more government homes. Everyone loves them.

Anonymous said...

Still not answering the question Zelduh.

You never know, sounds like you might end up in a government home someday.

Zelda said...

Sounds like you're already there.

Anonymous said...

Does Zelduh have her grandparents? In-laws? in a government home?

Zelduh says:"I said I don't mind babies being killed as long as it is with a bomb. While we are at it, bomb the elderly,too."

Freemom said...

Well, baby killer, I am guessing YOU will get the red pill instead of the blue one. - however, given the trouble you are having following what is said...I suspect some sort of substance is "helping" you already. Meanwhile, you are oblivious to the fact BORN people are now also being killed to solve socio-economic problems.

Freemom said...

Crabby, I can understand why you might think the story is embellished since the MSM either does not report or diminishes...but HERE is the report of the Grand Jury that handed down the indictment. It is pretty horrific reading.
http://www.phila.gov/districtattorney/pdfs/grandjurywomensmedical.pdf

Zelda said...

Does Zelduh have her grandparents? In-laws? in a government home?

Why do you want to know, Stalker?

"I said I don't mind babies being killed as long as it is with a bomb. While we are at it, bomb the elderly,too."

You're mistaking me for Obama.

Anonymous said...

All the more reason to support Planned Parenthood.

Zelda said...

Planned Parenthood exists to control the population of minorities. And they have no issue with infanticide. It is immoral to support them.

Anonymous said...

Zelduh's husband- Did Sarah Palin tell you that PP only does abortions? Hasn't FOX News ever explained that PP does thousands of cancer screenings for men and women, as well as birth control?

The Republican party has no problem controlling the population of a group of people they hate.

I would call starting an illegal, unnecessary war immoral, and you had no problem with that.



Anonymous said...

Is Zelduh pretending once again to care about minorities? And with that old out of touch, republican (same thing) argument?

You are saying minority women are so stupid that their bodies and what they want for themselves are easily controlled by what others want or demand.

What a racist, condescending attitude toward minority women.

Once again the Big Batch Baby Killer is trying to justify her love of war and bombs by her nonsensical arguments and attitudes regarding minorities--people she wouldn't let live in her neighborhood let alone care if they have abortions.

Anonymous said...

Freedumbmom is no doubt a cheerleading Big Batch Baby Killer who really doesn't care about babies--especially babies in middle eastern countries and certainly not minority babies in this country. Who do you think you are fooling except maybe yourself?

Zelda said...

Margaret Sanger was a racist and a eugenist. Planned Parenthood exists to control the populations of the ones Margaret termed "undesirable." That is why they do not do cancer screenings, mammograms and most tellingly, fertility treatments. They exist to distribute birth control and do abortions.

Anonymous said...

Zelda's husband-
I'm sure the people that have accused Sanger of being a eugenist never used birth control, they all have a dozen children.

You support the republican party and you listen to racists on right-wing radio all day so what exactly do you have against racists?

How many children do you have? 2 or 3? So, I guess you are for birth control.

Maybe in Texas they don't do cancer screenings because it is the worst state in the entire US, but where I live PP does do screenings.

Margaret Sanger watched her mother suffer which is what drove her to fight for women's rights. We all know if men could give birth you would all have one child, if that, and you would be lining up at the drive-thru for your abortion(s).

Anonymous said...

Why is Zelduh pretending to care about minorities? Her condescending, racist attitude toward them is so apparent.

She is so superior and so much more intelligent (a claim we all know is far from the truth) than minority women that she is here to save them from themselves. Even if that means screaming at them from the picket line.

What a racist.

Yes, we know, you have never used birth control so why would you want others to use it? Typical republican hypocrite.

Why don't you give up the charade of caring about minorities since from the other side of your mouth, if they get a piece of cheese from the govt. to feed their children, you go ballistic?

Zelda said...

Why don't you give up the charade of caring about minorities since from the other side of your mouth, if they get a piece of cheese from the govt. to feed their children, you go ballistic?

Oh please. You kill their babies and treat the rest like retards. They're all just one, big, dehumanized project to you.

CrabbyOldMan said...

Oh Enemas! Let’s just put it all on the table!
I don't give a shit about the minorities. I don't give a shit about the poor. I don't give a shit about the fools (people like you). I don't give a shit about drug addicts. I don't give a shit about criminals. I don't give a shit about "the children”. I don't give a shit about bible pounders. I don't give a shit about the down trodden. I don't give a shit about the counter culture weirdos.
I just loved George Bush and Dick Cheney. I think Reagan and Thatcher should each have received the Nobel Peace Prize (and Comrade Hussein’s taken away). I think Curtis LeMay knew best how to conduct foreign policy. I think we owe a great debt to J. Edgar Hoover.
I think Napalm was a great invention. I think that colonialism was fair treatment of the third world.
I do not value Muslim life nearly as much as Christian. I would love to see the government find a way to seize all of the liberal's money, particularly that of trust children. I would love to see all the Democrat office holders tarred and feathered.
GODAMMIT I feel better now!

Anonymous said...

Crabs: Sounds like you have a pretty "sh___y life. Thought so.

Anonymous said...

Zelduh: It's you who treats people as chattel. You want to lead minorities around by the nose with your fake Christian bit pretending to care about abortion. You don't even believe they have the wherewithal to know what they want--they need your "brillant" guidance or at least to hear your screaming for the picket line.

You gave a perfect example, as usual, of your true feelings by using the word "retards". You are morally bankrupt and it always bubbles to the surface in your every day speech and in your love of wars and bombs that kill babies, pregnant women and their families.

Zelda said...

You want to lead minorities around by the nose with your fake Christian bit pretending to care about abortion.

I don't want babies to be killed. You do. You're a disgusting BabyKiller and you hate minorities.

CrabbyOldMan said...

Enemas, actually I have had a great life!
Reaching my OWN conclusions via facts and logic, being honest with both myself and with others has been the key.
It has been particularly satisifying to have enough backbone to call political correctness and liberal orthadoxy the rubbish both are.
But then I suppose that you find others doing your thinking for you very comforting.

Anonymous said...

How many picket lines has Zelduh stood on yelling at minorities or anyone else going into a clinic? Big Batch Baby Killer doesn't care about babies or minorities. In fact, she doesn't think minority women are smart enough to know what they are doing. They need her "special brand" of help which is to be condescending and racist toward them.

P.S. Do you know the other Zelda is on another thread and she won't debate about guns simply because she lost an argument? She says she's laughing, but she's just trying to cover up her rage.

Anonymous said...

Crabs: The closest you get to a backbone is when you're downing some ribs.

CrabbyOldMan said...

Enemas, you're just too witty for me!

Zelda said...

You don't know how to debate, BabyKiller. You just spew hateful nonsense and then get all crazy and butthurt when someone disagrees with you. It's very funny.

Anonymous said...

Zelda- Queen of hateful nonsense, maybe you should go back and read all your old postings.

Zelda said...

Here's a little experiment for you. Go find the first thing you've ever posted here, then copy and paste it here with a link back. Then we can decide if you are some kind of weird, troll victim.

Anonymous said...

You probably have time for that, since you're up in the middle of the night with your gun and bottle of wine, pa(troll)ing your neighborhood.

CrabbyOldMan said...

Zelda, you will never be able to compete with razor sharp wit like THAT!

Fearthuinn min an Saille said...

I didn't know Zelda had a twin.

Zelda, do you have a twin?

Anonymous said...

Crabs- it's hard to compete with Zelduh, just check out her jokes about our FL on another thread.

Zelda said...

BabyKiller, I have no idea what your first comment was. You're posting anonymously, remember? So go take a few minutes from your active hostility and paste your first comment. Let's see exactly how much of a victim you are.

And I think everyone should definitely go check out the Michelle Obama jokes. I have a couple of good ones.

CrabbyOldMan said...

Enemas, I thought the Meshall jokes were very funny.
Meshall has a lot to laugh at.

Anonymous said...

For a women who swears up a storm at everyone should Zelduh really be talking about active hostility? With any luck she is taking out all her hatred just on this site and not on those around her. Big Batch Baby killers are the worst.

Weren't those jokes inspired (like inspiration, you may want to look it up) by kids' joke books?! You actually are bragging that you made those up?! Now that is really quite funny! You really do have the mentality of an eighth grader. Maybe all the drinking has killed one too many brain cells. Have you heard of cells? Don't want to get too sciencey for you. No, not like the all-too-familiar to you jail kind.

CrabbyOldMan said...

Enemas, get a grip on yourself. They will probably make you stay on the grounds all the time if you don't.

Zelda said...

Yeah. And they'll take away your Michelle Obama pictures.

Anonymous said...

Just after they take away Zelduh's pictures of Rush. Guess she likes them with rolls over the belt and bald. Great taste in men.

Zelda said...

You are the only one talking about Rush Limbaugh. God only knows what you do with his picture. *shudder*

Anonymous said...

Sounds like you know exactly what to do w/his picture so why are you shuddering?--you've seen it all and "been there/done that".

Zelda said...

Was that supposed to make sense?

Anonymous said...

To you I'm sure it does. Don't feign ignorance. I suppose your comments on MO make sense to you. Wacky repubs.

Zelda said...

Huh?

CrabbyOldMan said...

Somebody call the men in the white suits! Enemas wandered off the grounds again!

Anonymous said...

Zelduh always falls into a stupor when she can't win a discussion. So comical!! She likes to "play dead"! HA!

Crabs, your pants are still dripping.

CrabbyOldMan said...

Apparently Enemas has stooped to stealing my underwear.

Anonymous said...

Crabs wears underwear? That's a big step for him.

Zelda said...

Does anyone know what it's talking about now?

Anonymous said...

Zelduh: We can't help it if you are so lazy, you can't crane your neck up an eighth of an inch (Really it just requires eye movement! Pathetic!) to see what Crabs had said. So lame, so very, very lame.

Having a hard time remembering again? You use the word "it" to describe poor hungry children and their parents.

CrabbyOldMan said...

Enemas, did some meanie put glue on your hose?
Was it you Zelda?

Zelda said...

God, no.

Anonymous said...

And the lazy Republicans still hang around. Patiently waiting for anything to reply to!