Wednesday, November 07, 2012

For Some Reason This Calms Me Down For A Second......


Okay, second's over...pass the Prozac.



45 comments:

Nate said...

Relax

Roboto said...

The only people that could possibly 'think' that BO is a 'moderate', let alone a 'moderate Republican', are those so far to the left they think anyone to the right of Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, Hitler, or Lenin is a 'far-right winger'.

Thank you for identifying yourself as not the 'moderate' you claimed to be.

Bram said...

The Bush maps were way more red.

free0352 said...

Yes they were. Or better yet Reagan's in 1984.


As for this map, 50% of the country lives in those tiny blue areas, and 49% lives in the red ones. Oh, and that missing 1%? Thats where the pissed off Libertarians live who didn't vote live.

Nate said...

I think it fairly obvious Roboto, that you guys are so far off the rails in extremism, that you can't tell a moderate when you see it.

free0352 said...

You're saying Obama - the most liberals president in history and formally the most liberal member of the senate - is akin to a moderate Republican.

Nate, I think you might want to consider its you whose gone off the deep end and that you're so left you really have no clue what "moderate" means.

CrabbyOldMan said...

Well, Free0352 rightfully points out that half the population lives in those tiny blue areas.
Now then, anyone who buys the "one man, one vote" argument for either or both the states and Federal Senates, or agrees that the elimination of the Electoral Colledge is a good idea needs to think again, long and hard.
Remember that the country was founded as a FEDERAL Republic.

Nate said...

Free,

Lets look at Obama's record.
Obamacare: Based upon a plan initially implemented by moderate Mitt, and conceived of by Republicans and the right wing think tank Heritage Foundation in the early '90s.
Economy: Stimulus was 40% tax cuts, and fairly similar in nature to the W. Bush stimulus.
Bailouts: Initiated by W.
Foreign Policy: Aggressive attacks on Al Qaeda leadership, took down Qadaffi with NATO, sanctions that are bringing Iran down to their knees. Also pivoted to Asia, much like Nixon. Mimicked W.'s surge in Afghanistan.
Entitlements: If you believe Republicans, he cut Medicare by 716B.
Spending: Obama offered a $4-trillion debt reduction framework that would have cut $3 to $6 of spending for every $1 in tax hikes.

free0352 said...

I'm certainly not suggesting we be rid of the electoral college. Hell no, I'm a huge supporter of it.

http://mobyrebuttal.blogspot.com/2011/10/guest-from-right-free0352_20.html

free0352 said...

Based upon a plan initially implemented by moderate Mitt

But hated by 99% of Republicans and certainly by 100% of Libertarians. But beloved by Democrats.

Next

Economy: Stimulus was 40% tax cuts, and fairly similar in nature to the W. Bush stimulus.
Bailouts: Initiated by W.


You mean the single most unpopular among republicans, republican leadership ever conducted? Dude, I quit the party over it.

Aggressive attacks on Al Qaeda leadership,

You mean the lucky shot he got on Bin Laden that took him days to decide on? This is the weakest foreign policy president ever. Ever.

I'll grant you that Romney and Obama are the same. They're both liberals, hence why I didn't vote for either of them.

But it isn't heart and soul stuff to even the most moderate of Republicans, and certainly where you get a massive shift is Obama's desire for redistribution, which the Republicans don't have.



Nate said...

Free, you are actually intellectually honest (to a fault in my opinion) at least more so than the average Republican. However it seems quite inconsistent that Republicans would nominate someone for the presidency that could not articulate any meaningful difference in foreign policy, and had enacted policies that "99 percent of republicans hated". Furthermore 50M people, a vast majority of Republicans actually voted for the architect of Obamacare. Also the decimation of Al Qaeda's leadership using means that certainly violate the soverleignty of Pakistan shouldn't be ignored and does represent the actions of an acceptable foreign policy.

I still stick to my original point. Obama is actually a moderate Republican by historical standards.

Roboto said...

Obama is actually a moderate Republican by historical standards.

Only in your alternate history. Historically, Mitt would be too far to the left to be a mainstream Democrat.
And President LePeu is waaaaaaay to the left of him.

Nate said...

Yes, an "alternate history" that relies on nonpartisan analysis of reality and policy.

Isn't it pretty illustrative that my arguments rely on actual facts and policies, while the counter arguments are purely that of rhetoric?

Anonymous said...

There is no such thing as a moderate Republican.
You can however see a stuffed one in the Museum of natural history next to the dodo and Steller's sea cow.
They are preparing an entire wing for Fox news and the remains what was once the GOP.

Anonymous said...

Republicans better rethink their strategy, they will be extinct by 2016....too bad.

Anonymous said...

Obama won a whopping 332 electoral votes and the popular vote, he won by a landslide! A landslide, which is what the reporters on Bullshit Fox News mountain said Romney would do! What a joke! Mike Papantonio said months ago that the media was just telling people it would be close because Obama was sooo far ahead that people stopped paying attention.

Roboto said...

Isn't it pretty illustrative that my arguments rely on actual facts and policies, while the counter arguments are purely that of rhetoric?

Because 'moderate Republican' policies include giving tons of money to Union backers, dumping thousands of regulations on businesses, stopping harvesting of our own natural resources but allowing foreign countries to take them, badmouthing the successful while coddling mooches, ignoring high unemployment rates (in fact, 'focusing like a laser' on everything BUT unemployment), bowing to and confessing to the desire for 'flexibility' with foreign leaders, and campaigning while ambassadors are murdered?

Those sound like policies from FDR or Carter, but not from any Republican.

On which planet are those policies illustrative of Republican policy, moderate or otherwise? Other than rhetorically, of course?

Anonymous said...

what facts Roboto? 'badmouthing the successful while coddling mooches'? Are you talking about Mitt and his thugs being successful by shutting down companies like Sensata? A company that Mitt could have saved? and saved hundreds of jobs instead of giving them the boot right before Christmas? A company making record profits, but not enough for greedy Mitt....and bowing to foreign leaders is another HUGE lie by FOX and Rush, Obama has never done this. Campaigning while ambassadors are murdered can't be as bad as having tons of intelligence prior to 9/11 and doing NOTHING, and allowing thousands to die because of it! Bush did nothing but ride his bike around DC and head back to the ranch every other week...

Anonymous said...

I would like to ask everyone on this blog that voted for Romney what they expected him to do for them if he won? What exactly would he do for you? Would you benefit somehow by the breakup of unions? Would the de-regulation of everything benefit you? Obamacare being overturned and the kid with leukemia being thrown out of hospital would benefit you? No more investing in education or teachers would be good for you? Since I'm assuming none of you have prize race horses or elevators for your cars, just what would someone like Mitt Romney do for Roboto or Crabby ole man??? Because we already know that tax increases to the wealthy do not hurt the "job creators" who create no jobs, except in China, and we know that tax breaks for the middle class STIMULATE the economy because people like you go out and spend at Walmart and you buy beer....so can someone answer my question???

Anonymous said...

why is Harris county Texas red? It went for Obama by fewer than 600 votes, but did go blue Unfortunately)

Nate said...

Care to support these accusations? When did Obama give money to union backers? Are you referring to the auto bailout that saved probably 2m jobs?

Flexibility with Foreign leaders sounds like something a president Should have given that they are responsible for foreign policy.

Nate said...

Also EPA was est under
Nixon. Reagan raised FICA taxes. Get your head out of your ass and realize that your pure Republican party is as mythological as the Christian god it worships.

Roboto said...

Are you talking about Mitt and his thugs being successful by shutting down companies like Sensata?

No, if Sensata was successful, they wouldn't have gone to Bain in the first place, would they? Are you daft? Nevermind, rhetorical question.

I am talking about attacking 'the wealthiest 1%', among other ways Pres. Lepeu has for badmouthing those who have succeeded, and who pay the lion's share of taxes.

and bowing to foreign leaders is another HUGE lie by FOX and Rush, Obama has never done this.

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/ad508748c7.jpg
http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/jo50697ed5.jpg
http://worldmeets.us/images/obama.bow.Akihito.big_pic.gif
http://blondephotos.org/BlondeGator/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/obama-bowing-burger-king.jpg

'tis better to remain silent and be thought a fool, then to type and remove all doubt.

Campaigning while ambassadors are murdered can't be as bad as having tons of intelligence prior to 9/11 and doing NOTHING, and allowing thousands to die because of it!

It wouldn't be, but there WAS NO 'tons' of evidence' prior to 9/11. There was ONE Intel memo: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/file/white-house-releases-pre-911-intel-memo. WOW, with all that info, ANYONE could have told that there would be hijacked airplanes used as missles on September 11, 2001. (that was sarcasm, son.)

Surely YOU can use the Internet for research as well as I can, right? Isn't that why Algore invented it?

Roboto said...

...just what would someone like Mitt Romney do for Roboto...

Leave me (and my money) the hell alone. Stop driving this country 'forward' off the fiscal cliff. Not take away my 2nd amendment rights. Use the knowledge and experience that he has (and Pres. Lepeu DOESN'T have) to get this country prosperous again. Not decide that I should have something, and force me (under pain of enormous fines or imprisonment) to purchase it. Represent my country to foreign leaders, and not bow to them or apologize for the country that he was selected to lead.

Thank you for asking.

Roboto said...

Because we already know that tax increases to the wealthy do not hurt the "job creators"...

'We' 'know'? Which 'we'? You and your imaginary friend?

Tax increases are a penalty on whatever they are taxing. If you tax success, you get less of it. How about you and your ilk start taxing poverty for once, instead of rewarding it by paying for it?

...we know that tax breaks for the middle class STIMULATE the economy

You stumbled into the truth. (don't worry, I won't tell your comrades at HuffingPaint or Daily Kook). Tax cuts (for anyone) stimulate the economy because:
1. they reward people for working (and when you reward an activity, you get more of it)
and
2. People have more money to do with what they want.

I should be getting paid for the education that you are getting (that your professors obviously didn't provide).

Roboto said...

When did Obama give money to union backers? Are you referring to the auto bailout that saved probably 2m jobs?

Yes, I am referring to the auto bailout. It saved NOTHING that bankruptcy wouldn't save, but it DID wrest control of the companies from those who had 'skin in the game', the investors, and gave it to those who only show up for their 8-hour shift.

Flexibility with Foreign leaders sounds like something a president Should have given that they are responsible for foreign policy.

Not when that flexibility can only occur after the voters no longer have a say in it. That's referred to not as 'flexibility', but as tyranny.

Anonymous said...

Your map is incorrect.

In NY I know that 10 more counties should be shaded blue but you have as red.

Either update the map reflecting accurate count or admit that you lie to get you false point across.

Nate said...

Are you suggesting that we eliminate term limits? That is the only way to eliminate that flexibility.

The bailouts were initially implemented under W, a moderate Republican. Replace union backers with bankers, and you can lob the same argument.

Crabby said...

Anonymous and Nate:
Are you two buddies in the cuckoo's nest?

Nate said...

Also lucky shot 28 times?

28 Al Qaeda leaders have been killed
since Obama took office.

Nate said...

When the debate is lost slander becomes the tool of the user. -- Socrates

Anonymous said...

Robots, you aren't very bright are you? Bush lost all our respect, the entire world despised us, he didn't keep us safe and it took Obama to catch Bin Laden. To repeat Nate...28 Al Qaeda leaders dead...how many under Bush? I know you think someday, you too may have an elevator for your cars, so you want hogs like Limbaugh and Romney to get tax breaks, just in case....

Anonymous said...

Roboto..."gave it to those who show up for their 8 hour shift". Gave what? A paycheck? To these lazy no good workers? You mean jobs? Isn't that what you people cry about daily? Jobs? And don't worry, Mitt made a fortune off the bailout. I did stumble on the truth, tax cuts for the MIDDLE CLASS stimulate the economy, not tax cuts for Mitt Romney and Rush, although, the amount of money he spends on OXYcoton might help...

And..."not decide that I should have something and force me (under enormous fines or imprisonment) to purchase it?
So you don't have car insurance?

"If you tax success you get less of it". Hmmm let's see, which genius came up with this one?! Rove? No, Limbaugh...or maybe Hannity? I give up! was it Man Coulter?

Roboto said...

Robots, you aren't very bright are you?

Funny question coming from you.

Bush lost all our respect

Both you and your imaginary friend?

the entire world despised us

They despised that he wasn't the pushover that democrats since carter traditionally are.

he didn't keep us safe

To quote Nate, the bad guys got one 'lucky shot'. How about since then? How many ambassadors killed on Bush's watch (on the anniversary of 9/11, to boot)?

and it took Obama to catch Bin Laden.
Once more, Nate's quote 'lucky shot'. It didn't 'take 0bama to catch bin Laden', he happened to be President WHEN bin Laden was finally found. Being in the right place at the right time is NOT a talent, it is a stroke of luck. Especially since, according to reports, he wasn't even the 'Won' to make the call.

I know you think someday, you too may have an elevator for your cars, so you want hogs like Limbaugh and Romney to get tax breaks, just in case....

Surprisingly(sarcasm), you're wrong. Again. I want people (Americans) to have employment. Jobs. I want PEOPLE like Limbaugh and Romney to get tax breaks for several reasons:
1. It's their money. Not yours. If you want to throw YOUR money down the governmental rabbit hole, fine. Don't force them to throw theirs down as well.
2. Isn't 67.9% of the taxes that the top 20% pay enough? When does it become their 'fair share' to you? (It's already FAR MORE than their fair share.)
3. And most importantly, as I said, I want Americans to be able to get employment. Who do you think provides those jobs? Poor people? The more money potential employers keep out of government's talons, the more people that they can employ. Witness the 60's, the 80's, and the 00's (before Madame Pelosi and Dingy Harry took over Congress). As a counter indication, witness the 30's and 40's, where the wealthy were taxed heavily, and a severe recession was turned into the Great Depression. (Thank you, FDR!)

Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it. - George Santayana

Roboto said...

Roboto..."gave it to those who show up for their 8 hour shift". Gave what? A paycheck?

Pay attention, son. The 'it' to which I was referring was equity in the company. I figured it was clear from the context that I was speaking of that. I forgot to factor for willful stupidity. My bad.

I did stumble on[sic] the truth

It was bound to happen eventually.

tax cuts for the MIDDLE CLASS stimulate the economy

True. You DID find some truth.

not tax cuts for Mitt Romney and Rush

so much for stumbling on[to] the truth. If the middle class get a tax cut, they might spend it, or they might save it. Upperclass tax cuts add the possibility of invest it in new factories, machinery, or employees. (How's that unemployment number doing lately? Ever wonder why?)

although, the amount of money he spends on OXYcoton might help...

Not as much as lawyer fees from 0bama, to keep his past life hidden, or from Clinton (or anyone with the last name Kennedy), to battle off rape charges.

And..."not decide that I should have something and force me (under enormous fines or imprisonment) to purchase it?
So you don't have car insurance?


Yes. I do. But if I didn't, there is NO provision that I be fined or imprisoned. The only penalty would be that I not be allowed to operate a motor vehicle on state or federal highways. Genius.

"If you tax success you get less of it". Hmmm let's see, which genius came up with this one?! Rove? No, Limbaugh...or maybe Hannity? I give up! was it Man Coulter?

It's actually common sense. No wonder you're unfamiliar with it.

Anonymous said...

Roboto, I guess I have many "imaginary friends" and they are all minorities and women who didnt vote for a white billionaire. 99% of what you replied is totally asinine. What a coincidence that Obama happened to be president when Osama was found...could that be because he was actually looking for him, unlike osamas pal, Bush? Romney also said he wouldn't go to the ends of the earth to catch terrorists.

No one is denying the fat hogs their their wealth, just that they pay their taxes, like you and I do. Trickle down doesn't work, remember, we already tried that under all the losers you voted for. Obama has created more jobs than Bush did in 8 years. Romney pays 10%, if that in taxes, if that.

If you wanted Americans to have jobs then you would have voted for the guy that saved the American Auto Industry, instead you voted for the person that "loves to fire people" and also loves shipping jobs to China.

The middle and lower class have to spend their tax cut to survive, you idiot, they don't have Swiss bank accounts. So, under Clinton, when the top paid their taxes we had a recession? Upperclass tax cuts add jobs and factories in the US? WRONG! Again, look at Romney.

No one has more lawyers to battle off charges than the Bush-Cheney crime families. How many coke/DUI charges for the cheerleader? Those two can't even travel because the rest of the world knows they should be behind bars for war crimes. I wonder what kind of shape robot would be in if he watched 2 brothers get assassinated? Say what you want about Obama, Clinton and the Kennedy's but they will always fight for people like you, you're just too ignorant to know it.

Anonymous said...

I watched a PBS special last night on the hogs that live on Park Avenue. #1 Hog, David Koch, has the doormen load his tons of luggage for his weekend trip to the Hamptons. Like most of the wealthy, he does not tip and never says thank-you. He gives a $50.00 Christmas tip, wow. So, please stop lecturing about the wealthy passing their money down, it's a lie. I was a waiter in college and doctors were always the worst tippers. Hogs like Koch hold on to every last dime, they are truly the lazy and entitled in this country and they count on robots like you to defend them.

Roboto said...

I don't know why I even bother arguing with someone incapable of reason, logic, and a sense of historical perspective.

Go play with your imaginary minority friends (the ones who voted for the BLACK millionaire). Maybe they'll share your kool-aid.

Anonymous said...

Your map is incorrect.

In NY I know that 10 more counties should be shaded blue but you have as red.

Either update the map reflecting accurate count or admit that you lie to get you false point across.

Anonymous said...

I don't know why I bother arguing with someone incapable of admitting that they really can't afford to be a Republican.

At least if Obama were a billionaire he would be willing to pay his share in taxes.

Why wouldn't Romney release HIS tax records?

Roboto said...

Why do you care what someone else earns? Does it make a bit of difference in your life? Does the hate help you make it through the day?

Children...

Anonymous said...

Obviously, the wealthy not paying their taxes does make a difference, in all of our lives. People born into the lucky gene pool are only hated when they cheat.

Roboto said...

Obviously, the wealthy not paying their taxes does make a difference

Ahhh... but the 'wealthy' DO pay taxes. How about the 47% who don't pay any federal income taxes? Got anything bad to say about them?

People born into the lucky gene pool

Rarely is it luck. It is usually hard work. Little wonder Leftists can't tell the difference. After all, "they didn't build that".

Anonymous said...

You mean the 47% that. Romney hates? The Military, retired people, etc.?

I would call George Bush,Mitt Romney and Donald Trump extremely lucky. They don't have any brains and were given everything on a silver platter. Hard work from these clowns?!

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