Monday, October 15, 2012

Character

My problems with Mitt have never been about character. And these things combined paint a pretty, damn good snapshot of a man... Makes it a bit hard to give an iota of credence to the big, bad monster that's being painted by the DNC (and Free). Even Snopes and Polifact had to begrudgingly pronounce claims as true.



23 comments:

Rickvid in Seattle said...

And the list for Obama would be what? C'mon Jim, Nate, KiM, let's see a retort to this. Not a Bidenesque re-snort, but a real retort.

Fearthuinn min an Saille said...

Free and I don't have an issue with the kind of man he is, we have an issue with the kind of politician he is. If they were one and the same, we'd have less of an issue. But they're not, so we have an issue.

free0352 said...

Actually I have a huge problem with Mitt's character. First of all, and there is nothing intrinsically wrong with this, but Mitt grew up the privileged son of the Michigan governor. So he didn't need to work, he was provided for. So what he worked for his dad's campaign? His bills were paid for. So what he was a missionary? He got a free, fun filled European vacation. Big deal. Worked for dad in the Governor's office in Lansing? Big deal, dad paid the bills. Gave up his inheritance? He wrote a check, but money never had to be a big deal to Mitt, he had the Michigan tax payers to fund his life courtesy of Dad's governorship. It was hardly a sacrifice, and was made to construct a bullet point for Mitt's eventual entry into politics. And what did all that loyalty to poppa get him? A basically no-show job at Bain Capital- and a pile of political crony money. And then the Olympics? Seriously, he was a glorified event planner. And lets talk about his term as Mass Governor? He did such a dreadful job he didn't even bother to run for reelection because his loss was such a foregone conclusion. His claims to fame then, are a no-show job at Bain, a failed term as Mass Governor, and a loss to John McCain- a guy who couldn't beat Obama either.

Unknown said...

So, your big complaint is that he was born well-off (are Governor's "rich?")? Aren't we railing against the Dems use class warfare? Why are you partaking? And, if he didn't take any of his father's inheritance, doesn't that invalidate a huge chunk of your argument?

CrabbyOldMan said...

Fearthuinn min an Saille:
You'll have to explain to me "...with the kind of politician he is" means.
Assuming I have guessed correctly: I think it fair to say that all the adults recognise that it takes a coalition of people who do not have uniform views to get elected to anything. Accordingly, any politician who gets elected "views" are going to "evolve".

CrabbyOldMan said...

Free0352:
It would be fair to say that I, too, grew up "poor". I never got even close to being middle class, let alone rich.
I have have known people who were born "rich" and were, in my opinion, also people of great accomplishment.
The conclusions you jumped to in your post show me that you have bought into the left's class prejudices. I see your doing so as an echo of your original tantrum when Romney won the nomination.

Bram said...

Free - You are completely mistaken about the "no show" job at Bain. His father wasn't that big of a deal. He worked for everything he got there.

free0352 said...

No he didn't, it was a hook up. And his dad was a huge deal, he was the most powerful man in Michigan when the auto industry was huge in Michigan making Romney sr. one of the most important men in the country.

So, your big complaint is that he was born well-off

No, one of my MANY complaints is that Romney never did shit on his own. If it wasn't for Romney Sr. you'd be asking "Mitt who?"

I can think of about 10,000 ex-rich kids who could do a hell of a lot better job and have 1000x better qualifications and real accomplishments other than really good hair.

We already have an empty suit, we don't need another one.

Bram said...

I was thinking the opposite. I've know Senators' kids and guys born far richer than Romney who never did shit. They drank and partied, married gold-diggers, divorced, went to rehab a few times, and squandered their family money at every opportunity - never adding a thing to society.

Bill Eccles said...

Both candidates got where they are through connections. Romney's were familial. Obama's were political.

But at least Romney held a real job. At least he governed. At least he put his money where his mouth is.

Can't say the same for Obama...

Rickvid in Seattle said...

free, I am surprised you give Romney such glowing accolades! I mean, here he is, born to wealth, privileged in so many way, and yet, he gave up so much of what he could have had. He could have gotten paid for so much, he could have kept is inheritance, he could have pushed and climbed and shit all over people. You know, Pelossi and Soros style. But he didn't and you have given him recognition for his selflessness. Good on ya, man!

free0352 said...

What real job did Romney hold? His working for daddy in politics, his no-show at Bain, or his event planner for the Olympics? You're right dude, both Romney and Obama got to where they were because of who they knew not what they did, and its reason #340 why they are just alike. The Republicans are going to have to do a lot better job than that before I vote for them again.

If you ever are curious on where I'll come down for a candidate about 80% of the time, its an easy litmus test. The first thing I check is did they support or worse vote for TARP or Stimulus or any of the QE's.


Guess what, Romney was for all of it. And as for ObamaCare, he's its architect and he isn't sorry. Oh, and he was anti-gun before he needed the NRA and he was pro abortion before he needed Right To Life.

He flipped then, he'll flip again. He's a weak, spoiled little rich boy who had his **snort** career handed to him on a silver platter because of his familial political connections just like Obama had it handed to him because of his race and academic ones. I don't care how many people he tried to convert to Mormonism in France between stints of skiing the Alps in Chamonix or basking on the beach in Nice. I don't care that he gave away money. Any idiot can give away money. In fact, I'm afraid he'll give away my money like Barack Obama does. I'd rather have a hard hearted miserly fuck with ruthless business sense who had to claw his way up from nothing and did it for the money. I trust that guy to break economic deadlock, not Mitt Romney's fake, political altruism and good hair.

Bram said...

Free - Here are a few reasons why you are wrong about Romney's Bain career:

1. Bain was founded in 1973, Romney was hired in '77. Start-ups don't hire tokens. (I worked for utility that did it, and a consulting firm that would never consider it).

2. A number of clients (including the parent company of my current employer) specifically requested Romney on consulting engagements. Nobody asks a $500+ an hour consultant back if he sucks.

3. Bill Bain put up $37 million with Romney in charge of Bain Capital.

4. With Romney in charge, Bain Capital went from the start-up of $37 million to $4 billion under management in '99.

I've seen my share of nepotism and tokenism. They collect their 6-figure salaries and stay out of sight. They aren't put in charge and they don't become company stars.

I have mixed feelings about Romney the politician, but Romney the businessman was a rock-star.

Fearthuinn min an Saille said...

COM, and the realists in the room also see him with a running mate who is part of the stalemate in Congress and refuses to get anything done because it involves the other side of the aisle. Now, where's that budget for this year?

And I think Free did a good job of outlining a few other of his political points, in regards to the NRA, NOW/NARAL. He's about political expediency, just as Obama is. When Romney takes a stance that is in line with the Constitution and might provide him with political suicide, then I might have more regard to him. It'd also be nice to see him stay with an opinion and be able to logically back it up, in the face of opposition - like how he planned to dismantle the ACA, but now is not going to dismantle it. Guy can't seem to say, "give me a chance to check it out, and keep on me till I get you an answer." Instead he opens his mouth, then changes what he said later.

Bram said...

What's wrong with a stalemate in Congress?

CrabbyOldMan said...

Something in Free0352's head snapped.
I don't remember his posts prior to Romney's nomination having so many imagination fueled allegations woven into them.
The tone shows that class envy has clearly taken hold to the exclusion of rationality.

free0352 said...

I like a stalemate in Congress so I won't make any argument there.

As for Romney's work at Bain, if he did anything there it was to use his political connections to help Bain do its thing, which is more a sad commentary on the nature of government and regulation than the performance of Romney. If anything, Romney is a Rand esq. corporate looter, sucking like a tic and profiting of government thuggery.

As for how long I've loathed him, I've loathed him and his entire fucking family since I started participating in politics when I was living in Michigan. I make no secret that I was a member of a faction of Michigan Republicans and the Romney/De Vos crew were the enemy faction. A lot of the bad feelings I have for Romney come from the primary election of Dick DeVos when he ran in 2006. I've had personal dealings with the Romney camp and seen how fucking evil they are up close.

Nate said...

It's fairly easy to work unpaid and volunteer when you are a born into privilege.

Anonymous said...

I'm starting to think a cute Romney son banged one of Free's women...

free0352 said...

Actually it was the Romney/ DeVos faction of the republican party that in late 2004 and 2005 banged up reformers in the very idiotic Michigan Republican party that cost us the reelection of the worst governor in Michigan's history in 2006. I've seen this collection of morons before and you'll see it again. Michigan style Republicans like Romneys were down right helpful in turning Michigan into the waste land it is today, and now they'll do it to the rest of the country given the chance.

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