Friday, October 12, 2012

Biden VS. Ryan

This was the debate I wanted to see. I marked it on my calendar as soon as it was announced. And it ended up being the same night as my monthly 'Mom's Night Out.' So, I missed it.


I'm finding it hard to decide the outcome from news stories. No one seems to be talking about the debate --only about Biden's interruptions and strange smirks. Is it worth me watching On Demand? Who won? Highlights?

26 comments:

Hoss said...

I thought it was virtually worthless. Hard to take it serious when Biden was acting like a petulant second grader - he basically drew a sharp distinction between who was ready to handle serious matters and who was just trying to hold onto power. It was sad a sitting VP acted like that in a debate, but those are the kind of distractions you have to make when you've got nothing else.

Bram said...

I watched some before getting frustrated and turning it to football. Joe Biden was an smirky asshole who needed his face punched. The same asshole act he's been doing since he was first elected to the Senate in 1972.

He used to scream crap like "racist" during conformation hearings for Reagan appointees for no apparent reason.

Navig8r said...

Watch it. Biden's smug arrogance is shocking. He is the ultimate appologist for Obama's suicidal policies. Ryan was the adult in the room. He delved into the details and fundamentals of the RR policies, but maybe was a little over the average person's (i.e., not readers of your blog) head.

TWM said...

Ryan was composed and solid, if a little nervous at the beginning. Biden was a pompus, condescending,smirking boob. Ryan did pretty well considering he had to debate both Biden and the moderator who kept interrupting him just as he was making a point.

What Ryan should have said - after watching Biden do his whole asshole act - was say, "These are serious times for serious people and just from the look of this VP you can tell he's not serious. And neither is this administration.' (Yeah, it's sort of a ripoff from a movie, but it applied).

Not worth your time to watch - hit the hightlights.

Fearthuinn min an Saille said...

I chose to not watch, since I don't have a horse in this race to choose from. But from what my FB feed says, Biden was given carte blanche to answer and question as he felt, laughed a lot, and supposedly made Ryan look like a child. I haven't really seen any commentary on issues that were actually brought up, except Biden playing "I'll keep my hands out of the cookie jar" on RvW and other religiously based law challenges (i.e. DOMA).

Otherwise, sounds like the circus that is our politics, and probably didn't help the so-called "undecideds".

Nate said...

The debates primarily function as rohrschach test for what you already believe in, so don't expect to get any meaningful insight from this group.

From a moderate's perspective, Biden was a more compelling figure, and articulated a vision that most Americans will likely agree with. He could have benefited from composure -- laughing during the other Ryan's answer is pretty poor form. Ryan was solid, but short on dramatics, and seemed uninspired by comparison.

Hoss said...

Nate, you saw exactly what you wanted to see. If you thought Biden was more compelling then you must be a first-grade teacher who has lofty aspirations of teaching those sophisticates in the third-grade. And let's stop with the silly "I'm a moderate" shtick.

Bailey Close said...

Ryan missed a prime opportunity with Biden talking about Ryans letter that requested stimulus money.

Ryan should have come back with:

"Joe, are you that foolish to not understand that I am STILL against the stimulus plan, but if its there I will get my States portion because its obvious that there wasn't going to be any left after you got finished! Of course I'm taking our portion that was ripped out of our taxpayers unconstitutionally for your redistribution program!"

Rickvid in Seattle said...

Sure, watch it while ironing or doing your nails. Yes, Biden was an ass, and Ryan was too polite. Biden did articulate some real differences between Obama admin and the incoming Romney admin. For instance, he defended setting a date to run away from Afghanistan by banging the table and yelling that "It's the Afghan's responsibility!" Ryan pointed out that dates help the enemy and that we should not abandon the area. While Biden blame the intel community for the lies Obama told about Libya, he also said that we'd KNOW when Iran had a bomb. Right.

But, we see the future for the next 2 debates. Obama will come out like a snarling spitting idiot. Romney should be polite, solid, and verbally judo him, using that viciousness against him by telling him that being naughty is below the dignity of the office, again treating him like a schoolboy who needs correction.

Anonymous said...

Nate...A moderate? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Don't kid yourself, you deluded idiot.

jim marquis said...

Biden was great...loose, confident, experienced. As usual, that greasy weasel Ryan just vomited out some anecdotes, some platitudes and very few believable details.

Nate said...

Hoss,

People on left leaning sites view me as a rightist, and people on right leaning sites view me as a leftist, therefore moderate is the only term that fits.

SoLow said...

I actually watched a grand total of about 8 minutes of it (before I could find where the cat had hidden the remote this time) and I agree with everyone above except Nate & Jim (shocking). I would expect more professionalism out of my 22 year old son than what Biden offered. What a douchebag.

Zelda said...

It really must depend on your political perspective. Personally, I'm just grateful Joe remembered to wear pants. Otherwise, he looked like the completely demented, Obama defense against assassination, that he is. Also, he said he voted against Afghanistan and Iraq when he voted for both, so that was weird.

Ryan was good. He offered a solid defense of Romney and talked about taxes hurting small businesses and he managed to state that if we taxed all businesses making 250K + a year at 100%, it would only fund the government for 98 days. I thought he could have brought that point home, but he kept getting interrupted and even though Joe spoke longer, he kept complaining that Ryan was getting more time.

Jpck20 said...

Ryan clearly won.

Because really, no one gives a shit what either VP candidate ever has to say. He is just going to parrot whatever his running mate has already said.

No the real test in the VP debate is to show whether the person can keep a cool head and prove they are competent enough to take on the role of President if needed.

Ryan did this by keeping his composure and showed he knew what he was talking about while Biden played the fucking jackass.

Anonymous said...

One of my liberal friends shocked me this morning with a post where he said that for the first time he felt sorry for Obama. (after watching the debate). I personally started to believe that Biden had just smoked a huge amount of pot before coming on stage. He was out of control, laughing for no reason for the first 40 minutes or so. Then he 'came down' and became belligerent and rude. He might have pleased his base but I don't think he won over any swing votes.

Rickvid in Seattle said...

Like a snarling drunk sitting on the bar stool in the corner. Cranky, demented old fart dithering on the street. The derisive guy that every woman has run into who dismisses her and her thoughts just because. Yeah, Slo Joe ran the gamut. Churlish, derisive, childish, petulant. Ryan could have, and maybe should have, called him on his undignified and bratish behavior. This will go down as a lesson in incivility and a stain on the debate process. The lefties can put the wool over their eyes and stammer "It was good, good, good!" as much as they want, but Biden was shameful.

Rickvid in Seattle said...

Anonymous, I hear Slo Joe stumbled into the green room looking for brownies afterward.

CrabbyOldMan said...

I think that Biden shot the Marxocrats in the foot with his boorish behaviour.
I think Biden is an excellent debator/stump speaker, but probably turned most people off, both from the right and the left, because of his ill advised antics.
My guess is that Ryan picked up quite a few more votes than Biden did.

free0352 said...

I think you can tell when the Republicans and Democrats both are claiming victory that at the very least no lasting political blows were landed (unlike last debate) and this really doesn't make much difference towards the election.

careaga, the other one said...

Its been reported that both Ryan and Biden have recently been involved with gun incidents. Last week, Ryan bagged a six point buck and yesterday Biden's teleprompter shot itself.

Rickvid in Seattle said...

Damn, careaga, sputtered coffee onto the monitor again. Drat.

Freemom said...

Biden won at bullying - Ryan won at debating...the moderator AND Joe. It is worth watching at a time convenient for you.

Rickvid in Seattle said...

If a wise man has an argument with a fool, the fool only rages and laughs, and there is no quiet. Prov 29:9

Perfect.

Dr Jazz said...

Sadly, if they were to be truthful, an amazingly large number of people would answer... "They had a debate? Who cares? I only care about Obama. My sweet and precious Obama"

JRob said...

Biden came out swinging...and hit himself in the face