Wednesday, November 03, 2004

It's Over...

Last night, before any results were in but the misleading exit polls, I started to write a 'victory' post and a 'concession' post...but then I realized they should be one in the same. That should be the American way...one in the same.

It's over. Thank God. It's over and it's time to put the blame-shifting, the hate, the 527s and the bickering to rest. It's over and it's time for the Democrats, Republicans, Conservatives and Liberals to come together on as many issues possible. Our enemy has never been John Kerry and nor has it been George Bush...but it is, and has been for the last 15 or so years, Al Qaeda and fanatics who believe and practice fundamentalist Islam.

It's over. It's over and it's time to stop arguing whether we should be in Iraq. Instead lets unify behind our troops and win in Iraq. Let's unite and deal with Iran and north Korea. Let's unite and find Saddam's Weapons of mass destruction in Syria. Let's unite to continue to rebuild our economy that Bin Laden thought would collapse after 9/11 but is steadily on the mend. Let's unite to find a way to make sure all Americans have health care through medical liability reform. Let's unite to keep jobs from going overseas by making our allies adhere to trade laws. Let's unite to heal the wounds that a pro-longed political season has inevitable inflicted.

It's over --so let's begin to faze out all the terrible things that have been said about both candidates and come together to defeat a common enemy. Let us humbly accept the will of the people regardless of the result...and be thankful we have the opportunity to be heard even when we don't prevail.

It's over and let us hope that a concession comes from the side that loses...that the election doesn't needlessly draw out in frivolous lawsuits and partisan contention. We are the greatest country in the world...with the most opportunity, the best military, the most legal dissent, the most diversity...and hopefully -soon -the strongest unity...

41 comments:

cheeky monkey said...

Ala—this is a really nice post. And I think we can all agree that it’s time to mend. I hope the next President makes is a big priority to lead from the middle—to reach out to the other side, which is a very large other side. I hope he guides policy with an eye toward what is best for ALL Americans, regardless of their faith, their sexuality, their views on science, their love of art.

I think it’s time for America to unite, based on our amazing ability to move forward, to find commonality rather than partisanship. It’s been an ugly four years. I hope the next President can do a better job of uniting, not dividing.

I have hope.

PS. While I’m all for conciliation, healthcare for all will not miraculously happen ONLY from liability reform. That’s only a small part of the problem. Nor will job development occur only from trade agreements. Like my hopes for the next President, I fervently wish that his policies take a thoughtful, practical middle ground, common sense approach that look at and address all sides, not one narrow, politically charged approach. 

Aunt Bitchy said...

Cheeky:

I HAD HOPED GEORGE W. BUSH WOULD WIN....AND HE DID!
KERRY WILL CONCEDE ELECTION AT 1pm EST

THANK GOD FOR FOUR MORE YEARS!
CONSERVATIVES RULE!

ALa said...

AB:
We are being nice and healing today...:)

Kat said...

Kerry conceded at 10:11 AM CST 11:11 CST. Is that something 11. If I was supersticious I'd put some sort of portent on conceding at 11:11.

Now I agree with the rest of your post. Time to get on with the job. Let's get together and get this thing done.

free0352 said...

Well, its official. Four more years. And it was as fair as could be. If there are any Democrats left to read this post, I'm going to take one more stab at ya, just one....

Take a hard look at your party. You lost, America spoke, and it said Bush. You must be wondering how, you don't know -Any one- who voted for him. How could anybody choose that guy?????

You live in a differant world than the rest of us. Take a look at the electoral map. Its red straight through the middle. Your party neglected us for too long, you didn't get one southern state. Not one. New York, California, and Illinois will no longer get your liberals into office, ever again. So sorry. Your candidates can't even call themselves what they are out of fear...liberals. There arn't enough in the center of this country to sell out to you anymore. Heck, you're starting to loose the minority vote. You must be wondering why. Let me fill you in.

Your principles, what few of them you have, are so far apart from everything most of America beleives in, that you burried yourselves in 2004. We in the middle look on at the east and west coasts, and the few middle states that you won, with a sort of sick apathy. We specifically do NOT want to live like you, think like you, pay the taxes you pay, or fight the war your way.

You are the party soft on radical islam
you are the party for partial birth abortion
you are the party for gun control
you are the party for higher taxes
you are the party for gay marriage
you are the party which does not support meaningfull tort reform
you are differant from us, because you beleive in a Nanny state, you think government is the answer. You want to turn us into Canada or France...but this is America!

Untill you abandon these radical ideas, we will shut you out year after year, ellection after ellection. You are out of touch. I'd wager the majority of votes you got came from folks who hated my candidate, not loved yours. "Vote for us, we're not the other guy." will not work for you anymore. That is how you lost. When it came down to what the two candidates stood for, an unpopular president in a difficult war won, because of character and honesty. Something John Kerry and your party are lacking. It wasn't because we are all stupid hicks, that attitude lost you this ellection. I strongly encourage the democrats, my friends, to re-discover the party of John F Kennedy and Harry Truman. Stop the Nanny state horse crap, and get conservative. America wants honesty, integrity, and honor. They did not see those things in John Kerry or your party. "Vote for us, we're not Bush, but when you do we'll sucker in all our left wing agenda and turn the way of life you love into Canada, the Nanny State." Thats what was heard, because thats what you were saying!

There will be a war in your party starting today. It's for the soul of your core. Please remember the leson you learned today, in this time of reform and rebirth.

PunkAssBitch said...

this was a really good post Ala...and I'm happy to see it. I really was expecting a gloating post here LOL.

I do hope for the same, and hope it happens soon & lasts forever.

God Bless the USA.

excuse me, but I'm gonna go cry some more...LOL

Tom said...

Had Bush lost, these chats and the blogosphere and the airwaves would have smelled with liberal democrat farts for a month. Celebrations in Europe and on the "Arab Street" would have been covered gleefully by Rather, Jennings, and Brokaw. Editorials heralding the repudiation of the 2000 election, Bush and conservatism would have been the order of the day this Nov 3rd.

A Kerry victory would have vindicated the media's use of forged documents and other sleazy tactics in the service of a democratic candidate's campaign. And you can rest assured that morons like Bill Maher, Al Franken, and Michael Moore, beatified by mainstream liberal media in 2000, would finally be canonized.

You can't be friends with these people. You have to beat them. Now come the calls from their side for Bush, the first president in the last four elections to get a majority of the popular vote, whose party increased its control over the house and senate through its own hard work, has to be "conciliatory", and "unite the country", which is code for "vote from the center", which is code for "move to the left."

How do you give the finger in the blogosphere?

The Oracle said...

Yep, time to close ranks and kick some Al Qaeda ass.

PunkAssBitch said...

this was a really good post Ala...and I'm happy to see it. I really was expecting a gloating post here LOL.

I do hope for the same, and hope it happens soon & lasts forever.

God Bless the USA.

excuse me, but I'm gonna go cry some more...LOL

Tammi said...

Wonderfully put AL. And yes, it is time to join together and face down the REAL enemy.

I'm thrilled that Mr. Kerry put the interest of this country before his own. And I'll admit I was surprised. But thats the kind of surprise I'll take any day.

Now to focus on what is important. Putting our differences on the back burner, winning this war, and moving ahead with America.

folkgirl said...

Ala,

Thank you for this post. I am obviously disappointed, but I too hope everyone puts the good of the country first and works together. It was hard posting today, trying not to let a "liberal fart" as free0325 puts it. I just want what I believe is best for my son.

And by the way, Free, since you had to go out of your way to let a "conservative fart", what you seem to have missed is that the electoral college is based on population. Yes, the middle of the country was red, but New England, New York and California were blue. Large tracts of empty land do not vote. Please look at the numbers: this election was almost evenly split. Our country is almost evenly divided. We have all argued over our differences long enough. Your assumptions and generalizations about what Democrats believe are getting very old.

cheeky monkey said...

Thanks again Ala.

Aunt Bitchy—why yes, you are, aren’t you.

Ala’s point about coming together seems to be lost already on her friends on the right who are gleefully stating that “You can't be friends with these people. You have to beat them.” (Tom) and “Your principles, what few of them you have, are so far apart from everything most of America believes (sic) in.,” (Free0352).

Well, ain’t that all about uniting?!

To some points, you are right. The Dems need to take a hard look at the party—as a whole—and reconfigure. Much as the right did in the late 80s to take the House in 94. It’s a natural progression. I think Dems need to do a better job of demanding personal accountability from everyone and not automatically siding with entitlement programs. I think we can learn about PR form you all as well. GOP NEVER concede they do anything wrong or really challenge their party-mates. I am not sure that’s the best for democracy or the country, but it is a way to keep the party cohesive.

But to say that we are immoral and do not represent America is a flat out lie and is one of the reasons so few of the left feel that the right will actually reach out and heal the DEEPLY divided country. Again, it wasn’t 70% for Bush. It wasn’t 380 electoral votes for Bush. It was down to one state. Farmland and cows don’t vote. People do. We might not have a ton of states, but we have an awful lot of people. It was a split. If the right will not acknowledge the integrity, patriotism and worth of the left, then there’s nothing to say but good luck. You’re going it alone with that attitude.

Bigandmean said...

I agree with your sentiments about conciliation. It's not easy though because we conservatives have been vilified for four years, have been accused of stealing the 2000 election, compared to Hitler and Goering then told that we must be stupid for not agreeing with the more enlightened liberal position.

We've endured the histrionic claims of the corpulent Michael Moore, a shreiking popinjay like Bill Maher and the caterwauling of emotional incontinents like P Diddy, Bruce Springsteen and the effervesant Al Gore.

We've dealt with the hoary Walter Cronkite and Jimmy Carter's outlandish claims of conspiracies by Republicans to produce Osama Bin Laden's pre-election appearance to boast Bush's chances. We've seen false documents pushed by CBS and Dan Rather in a blatant attempt to unfairly influence the outcome of the election. We've put up with the New York Times presenting a false last minute claim of 370 tons of missing explosives being Bush's fault.

We've battled through several October surprises such as false claims that Bush would re-introduce a draft. And then, when it was almost over, we had to overcome the false, seemingly vatic revelation that exit polls in battlegroud states favored Kerry.

After all of this, and in the spirit of unity and conciliation, I would like to offer this fecund observation to Michael Moore, George Soros, Bill Maher, Dan Rather and Terry McAuliffe: BITE ME.

McWizard said...

I see this elections result as a minor revolution. A rejection of the MSM and people on the left who insist they are in the "Middle" of the issues. That they are the reasonable and wise opinions we should embrace. As if. They truly represent about twenty five percent of the people but drive the views of another twenty percent with propaganda and fascist bullying behavior. Their trenches stretch across the doors of our schools and the newsrooms of our country. Students and journalists who don't share their views are savaged and torn at to try and drive them away. They've become the very thing they claim they hate only meaner and more devious.
That twenty percent sheep flock bailed over moral issues and enough of them saw Bush as the champion of those values that he has been soundly re-elected.

I predict that this meek twenty percent will, over time, come to the party that celebrates those values and leave the pop culture and media in the dust. I find it evident in the ratings of television shows like “Law and Order” and “CSI”. The top rated dramas ever. People want to see justice in practice and don't need all the tits and ass to keep their attention. They are also coming to rebel against the suffocating behavior of educators who shove their agendas down our throat while wielding the power to destroy lives and careers with their fascist prosecution of those who refuse to conform.

Once we get used to the fact that “We the People” are in charge and let our higher values rule our actions, instead of the base nature the left would prefer we exercise, we will become a nation where the little guy can gain the way he was supposed to with the Democrat Party. A party that cannot deliver him because it has to keep him victimized in order to retain his misguided loyalty.

It is now in the hands of our elected representatives as to how we will go forward. We need be vigilant about what the House, Senate and President are about. The empowerment we siezed as a nation is now handed off to them and they must be held to account for their actions. Every one of us should have their e-mail addresses and phone numbers and use them to let our will be known on every bill that’s passed. If they screw around, VOTE THEM OUT in the next primary and give someone else the chance to work for "We the People".

AFSister said...

America is NOT made up simply of Democrats and Republicans, so it's time to stop pretending that it is. This country is made up of millions of people with free, independent thought. I don't think anyone out there truly believes in EVERYTHING Republicans or Democrats stands for- I know I don't. I believe that Bush is the best choice we have right now because of his integrity, compassion and grit. He's the one I trust with national security. He's the one I believe will try to pass tort reform laws. He's the one I believe will help bring democracy to Iraq and bring our troops home when the time is right.

Niether of them do anything for me when it comes to the economy, abortion, gay rights or gun control. Jobs need to come back home and stay here. Partial birth and late term abortion should be illegal, except to preserve the life of the mother. Gay and Lesbian couples should be granted certain survivorship rights, but not granted legal marriage. Assault weapons and concealed weapons should not be allowed- they serve no purpose but to kill other people.

You see, I don't consider myself a member of ANY political party. I consider myself an American. I want a government that is best for me and my family- regardless of party affiliation. This time I voted Republican across the board, because they best represented the issues most important to me this time around. Who knows where my alliances will lie next time. But you can be sure that I will once again weigh what is truly important in my life and make the best decision I can.

I thank each of you for helping me make that decision this year, although it wasn't that hard of a decision. I don't believe Kerry would have followed through on anything he said he would do, except pull our troops out of Iraq too early. He's a liar and a traitor and has no business whatsoever leading this country. I found out more about both Kerry and Bush through reading blogs such as this one that I did by watching the news or tv ads. These sites keep it real and unbiased, so again, thanks.

free0352 said...

Folk girl
Get ready to embrace the horror…

Tom said-
"Had Bush lost, these chats and the blogosphere and the airwaves would have smelled with liberal democrat farts for a month. Celebrations in Europe and on the "Arab Street" would have been"


This of course would NOT be MY words, you know me, I’m free0352, and a complete other person from Tom....

You may take your foot out of your mouth now folk girl, that’s not patulie oil you taste.

Second, all I need to do is visit the DNC, Hillary Clinton and Kerry/Edwards web sights to get a good handle on what Democrats stand for, as they freely post it on the internet. Don’t you know what your leaders stand for?

Lastly,
Fuck you and your west/east coast-centric arrogant political view... Apparently there is a lot more than space out here, huh? I guess the fly over moo cow country of Ohio is pounding your arrogance right up you ass about…NOW! How does it feel to loose? Get used to it if your party doesn’t change its agenda. This is twice for executive and a DECADE in the congress. When will you loonies ever learn? Thank GOD I left New York and people like you.

Cheeky,
I agreed more with you. First, I don’t “unite” with you people. When .40 cents of every dollar I make doesn’t get re-distributed to the lazy, worthless, unwashed masses, then I’ll consider “uniting” or healing or whatever. Till then, don’t hold your breath.

Secondly
You do need to change, and I hope your party does. I admit party extremes can be dangerous with absolute power. We need you wacky bastards, the problem is you’re just too darn wacky. Come back a little right, YOU’VE GONE TOO FAR! Getting away from an entitlement mentality would be a great start! I never called you immoral; I stated that your morals didn’t coincide with mainstream America. Aside from the millions of fetuses who’s death you sanction a year, you’re swell folks. ;) Since this election clearly came down to morality and leadership, and we won …um …That makes me right in the assertion that your party does not in fact represent the morals of this country, at all. Hence four more years. If the Democrats don’t shape up, you people won’t get elected again. Last; at least 20% of your voters voted Kerry because they hated Bush. Common Cheeky, did Kerry inspire you? Bush fires a lot of us up, Kerry fired you up about beating Bush. You aren’t as big a group as you wish you were. And even if there were that many card carrying dems, we won the popular vote too. More people voted for this President than any other in HISTORY. I’d quit writing off the folks in the heart if I were you. Or move to Sweden.

Listen, for a start, don’t support any form of a tax increase regardless of economic demographic for this president’s term. Write your reps and ask them to support any decreases or cuts up for a vote. Good start in ‘healing’ or ‘coming together.’

BIGANDMEAN-ABSALUTELY!

leftyjones said...

Wow! I couldn't have made up a better charicature than you Free. Thanks for being the honest face of the Republican party. I can only hope the next time around the Republican candidate is as forthright and direct as you are about what you believe. This is not to say that your views are different than your candidate....you just tell it with refreshing honesty and leave out all the compassionate conservative- "up with people" crap.
Again, thanks for reminding us all.

Donal said...

A few things the American people choose to give the president four more years- I wish him luck and pray that he does not fail that trust. McWizard your party just won major control of the country do you think you can stop feeling persecuted now? Free0352- 48% of the country voted for Kerry, does that mean those people arent moral? So 55 million Americans are immoral scum according to you. The fact remains that we are all Americans, we all love our country and wish to see it at its best, and if you decide to ignore those people who dont support your party then you dont support the values that make this country great. Our greatest presidents and leaders remain those who valued all the people in our country and not just those who support them.

folkgirl said...
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ALa said...

hey guys...guess what...just 1462 days until the next election...

LOL!

free0352 said...
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free0352 said...

Okay, I need to clarify,

I don’t know out of the 48% who voted, which are hard core liberals. But those who are, I never said were immoral. I meant to say… “Immoral –thieving- scum who are out of touch with the majority of their fellow citizens.” I truly don’t know if you’re all going to hell or anything? The indapendent remainer are forgivable.

You see… I see taxes as theft, you see entitlement. If you want to help the poor, great! I do all the time! Just stop redistributing MY wealth you Democrats, its not yours to give! It belongs to ME! .40 cents of every dollar is too god damn much! USE YOUR OWN DAMN MONEY! Unlike you, I have not assumed inherent responsibility for every able bodied American who is too lazy to work. I’m a social Darwinist; I thought you Lefties liked Darwin?

Lefty,
You act as if I haven’t always believed as I do? Do you think I was trying to fool you? Um…you were confused about what I think????? I WISH SO VERY MUCH Bush was as conservative as I. Remember, the only thing separating me from the Libertarians was Abortion and the GWOT. Look, I admit you are not “bad” people, just off base with what will keep your party in touch with America. Has it not dawned on you that the Democrats have nothing left? No house of Reps, No Senate, No President. Umm…Why do we Republicans need to cooperate with you again? I’d change if I were you. How does your party having only a sliver of remaining political power after such a tremendous fall from grace not TELL YOU PEOPLE SOMETHING!

In all the spirit of warm fuzzy healing transondental one-ness; your cuddly buddy to liberals, free0352
Okay, I need to clarify,

I don’t know out of the 48% who voted, which are hard core liberals. But those who are, I never said were immoral. I meant to say… “Immoral –thieving- scum who are out of touch with the majority of their fellow citizens.” I truly don’t know if you’re all going to hell or anything? The indapendat remainer are forgivable.

You see… I see taxes as theft, you see entitlement. If you want to help the poor, great! I do all the time! Just stop redistributing MY wealth you Democrats, its not yours to give! It belongs to ME! .40 cents of every dollar is too god damn much! USE YOUR OWN DAMN MONEY! Unlike you, I have not assumed inherent responsibility for every able bodied American who is too lazy to work. I’m a social Darwinist; I thought you Lefties liked Darwin?

Lefty,
You act as if I haven’t always believed as I do? Do you think I was trying to fool you? Um…you were confused about what I think????? I WISH SO VERY MUCH Bush was as conservative as I. Remember, the only thing separating me from the Libertarians was Abortion and the GWOT. Look, I admit you are not “bad” people, just off base with what will keep your party in touch with America. Has it not dawned on you that the Democrats have nothing left? No house of Reps, No Senate, No President. Umm…Why do we Republicans need to cooperate with you again? I’d change if I were you. How does your party having only a sliver of remaining political power after such a tremendous fall from grace not TELL YOU PEOPLE SOMETHING!

In all the spirit of warm fuzzy healing transondental one-ness; your cuddly buddy to liberals, free0352

Ala…….way to put this is perspective.

folkgirl said...

Sorry, Free, you're right. Tom made the farting comment, but you farted.

And, excuse me, "fuck you"? I read ALa's blog because she can debate with grace and humor. She can also connect on other levels. You, on the other hand, obviously cannot. I was just pointing out the FACT that almost half of the country does not support this president as supported by the actual numbers. It does not matter where they reside. I live in said fly-over country (Minnesota, to be exact, but I'm sure you'll want to avoid us as well as the coasts).

Jensun_Clemike said...

ALA,
Nice original blog here - nice try at peace making. Obviously there are many out there who want no part of any olive branch. They have their own version of weapons of mass destruction or perhaps "weapons of destruction of the masses" as it may be. I don't believe Bush or Kerry would be proud of the arrogant and self-righteous vile rheteric being paraded here by their loyalists. Too bad, because we (the USA) are going to need the best of both parties (a united front), now and in the future to sustain our position as the greatest nation on Earth.
Through God's grace may we humble ourselves to become united and may God bless America - we need it.

PunkAssBitch said...

wow Free, you're a real swell guy....how's the view up there on that high horse of yours?

Jesus, you TOTALLY missed the point of what ALA's post is about. You are continuing on the tirade, which will do NOTHING to unite anyone or anything. The election results are the proof that this country is still pretty much evenly split. Here's a little bit of news for you, that .40 of every dollar that you keep bringing up? HI, that comes out of MY pocket AS WELL...me, one of them FOLKS that sit on the left....and yes, it SUCKS, I'd love to hang on to it...maybe I could boost the economy more & go buy some swell shoes or something with it? Or maybe I'll put it in the hands of a homeless guy that SWEARS he needs the money to buy something to eat, but will really go buy some crack & a bottle of booze. Or maybe...hmmm...let's see, how about a social program to help people...at risk kids, mental health services, (yannow, so we can lock up all the psychos far far AWAY), or hmm...how about those military families, the ones that are on FOOD STAMPS because they can't afford to eat?

I'm sorry, but your attitude fucking SUCKS, and I declare you a complete WHACKJOB....and a bitter one at that. It's ALL about you, isn't it?!

Get a goddamned clue & quite alienating people, you're making yourself look like a sociopath.

Cigarette Smoking Man from the X-Files said...

I posted my idea of reconciliation over on my blog just now (now that Blogger will let me, dayum, must be everyone and their goldfish is trying to post right now). But the fire and brimstone and exploding naptha rhetoric can go back in the closet for at least another two years (until the mid-term elections), and now it's time for calm, cool, level-headed negotiation of what it's going to take for we the 51% of the nation to get the other 49% to go along with us. I offered up a few bargaining chips and identified a few compensatory demands to make, in the process.

More Dennis Miller and Al Franken exchanging witty repartee with civilized disagreement and still being mensches about it; less Michael Moore tottering around looking for bombs to strap to himself. Can we manage that, at least?

Vadergrrrl said...

You have CLASS my sistah. Im in awe of how you handled this victory. I admire your spirit and your intelligence sooooooo much.

Thank you for being who you are. I think you are an inspiration to us all.

*hugs*

Bigandmean said...

Free,
What would you have said if we'd lost? Damn man, calm down. I probably should have turned on some of those smiley face things on my post to show that I was kidding around and goading my friend Cheeky a little.

I agree with Ala, Punkassgirl and Rodney King. It's time for everyone to get along. I don't necessarily agree that the first move is up to Bush. He won by over three million votes and his party increased their majorities in both houses while defeating the Senate Minority leader. The Democrats might consider making a courtesy call with hat in hand sometime soon. Both parties need to make some moves towards the center but the Democrats will have to move much farther than the Republicans. They lost. There move.

In the meantime, I can say without equivocation that I respect the liberals who post here: Lefty, Cheeky, Folkgirl, Punkassgirl and others. They're good people, bright, loyal and All-American. They made some mistakes and so did we. Let's shake hands and go have a drink. Make that two.

J. Marquis said...

Hey Free-

First of all, learn how to spell. It's hard to decode your gibberish.

Second of all, you can kiss my progressive West Coast ass.

Third, get a clue how modern government works. How modern government HAS to work. By the time Bush is done we'll probably have 80 million people without health insurance. Now I know YOU will never need anybody's help but nonetheless it is going to be a huge problem. I guess those 80 million can just go DIE as far as you're concerned.

By the way, you just helped re-elect a president who couldn't balance a checkbook. If you plan on continuing to invade countries (Iran, Syria, Canada, France)you better get that debt ceiling raised some more. Of course, your kids will have to pay 17% interest when they buy a house but hell, somebody's got to pay for this empire we're building!

I used to love being an American. Now I'm starting to feel like a white South African.

riceburner147 said...

I tried to post earlier with no effect. I agree with Ala71 (we are blood), just think, she may be a politician someday (in the best sense of the word).

gra·cious P Pronunciation Key (grshs)
adj.
Characterized by kindness and warm courtesy.
Characterized by tact and propriety: responded to the insult with gracious humor.
Of a merciful or compassionate nature.
Characterized by charm or beauty; graceful.
Characterized by elegance and good taste: gracious living.

Some, (incl free) need to study this definition.

I have in the past couple of years done some boxing, and years ago, racing. In both endeavors the competition was hard and dangerous. In the end, we looked at each other with respect and shook hands (or whatever) and got along better than most men are familiar with. I think the parallels here should be obvious.

Can i ask a question ? Suppose these shores were invaded by the extremist muslim radicals. who here would not take up arms alongside those who are labeled "liberals" and defend them and theirs. Are we not all Americans. Can we not be a little less petty ? Can we not be more like the men and women of our armed forced who truly stand between us and our (true) enemies. Do they have the time or the inclination to fight amongst themselves?

Let us be gracious, please.

The G-man said...

Look, people are going to vent out of disappointment. Eventually they'll get over it and then they will need to reevaluate for the next go 'round. As far as i'm concerned they've been handed a rather bitter pill. Their presidential candidate was defeated. Their leadership in both the House and Senate have been replaced. If it had happened to us, we'd all be squeeling too. I've been fighting long and hard for this election result because I thought it the best possible outcome, I got what I wanted so I can now allow them their expressions of disappointment. It is only human after all.

Jensun_Clemike said...

To riceburner and G:
Well said. A winner/loser who is not gracious is a winner/loser who shows no class. Gloating (and joking around as if gloating) is a poor choice and not a means of making a positive contribution to our country. Sometimes winning can bring out the worst in people. As a great American (party affliation not important) once said, "ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country." Before we can move on, we must get past this "what's in it for me" mindset.

Aunt Bitchy said...

I love these "moral" lessons on being gracious...but here is where I do not "flip flop"! I wanted President Bush to Win...and he is the winner! I am happy about it.
Let's be honest here, if Kerry had won...how much grace would be shown on this website??? I find it amusing that "losing" helps people find "artificial" graciousness.

Cheeky: Unlike ALA, I hate being politically correct...
I better watch out...lefty's going to come swinging...

riceburner147 said...

AB: I believe that being "PC" and being gracious, but still speaking forthrightly to the issues is possible. Lets think about "PC" for a minute. If being "PC" means that I do not use the "N" word (which i dont) when referring to Black Americans, then "PC" is an advancement in our society. If "PC" means that i cannot speak about issues that affect minorities or woman (as I am a man) than that in unhelpful. These things are important to me cause when i was younger (and still now somewhat) i was one who thought it good to be brash and loud and not think before i spoke. Just the other day i had to apologize to a person at work because my mouth ran before my brain. At any rate, I too am VERY happy that my candidate won. I am also relieved that Sen Kerry lost, IMHO he would have done damage to our presence in the Middle East and more. I can say these things, but can still extend a gracious comment to the other side, try it, it doesnt hurt that much.

ALa said...

...it would be a pretty crazy America if I were considered PC! LOL...

free0352 said...

Oh, I see folk girl, I’m supposed to embrace your insulting comments about myself and my adopted home here in the mid-west and say “Thank you, I understand your party is going the way of the Whigs at the speed of light, and you are insanely frustrated, so it’s okay.”

Well, not friggin likely. F-you. I’ll debate anything you want that contains merit. Implying I’m a cow farming nit-wit, redneck for voting Bush will only get the above response. Too many of you on the left in your elitist arrogance, have got away with that bullshit for too long. Guess what? I left New York City to come here to the Mid West because I was sick of the left wing. The Democrats got a hard lesson two days ago in why not to treat us like you idiots do. You never learn!

free0352 said...

wow Free, you're a real swell guy....how's the view up there on that high horse of yours?

Jesus, you TOTALLY missed the point of what ALA's post is about.



Free says: Oh I got her point, but ALa and I will just have to agree to disagree. My best friend is a Democrat, so I can get along fine with you people, but I will NEVER go soft on the issues I feel strongly about, regardless of your feelings.

free0352 said...

Riceburrner

I've been standing between the nutjob psyco's of the world for so long now my feet are starting to hurt. Thats called 6 years in the military, try holding your dieing friend and then try hearing he died in the wrong war at the wrong place at the wrong time from people that voted not to give him body armor...and then just try to be full of grace.

riceburner147 said...

free: i have never served in the military and cant imagine having to do what you have said so i can (begin)
to understand why you would say this. I was really addressing those who merely lack the social graces to be gracious in print, I believe we can all do that. I highly respect your service, thank you.

Jensun_Clemike said...

Approximately 49% of the voting public chose not to support the idea of having 4 more years of W. Bush. Percentage-wise it was a very close race and the electoral vote was extremely close and in question until almost daylight the next day. About 45% of voting America chose the Republican ticket and about 45% chose to cancel their votes by voting the Democratic ticket. In many other critical races, candidates found themselves in the same situation. So who is really responsible for electing this latest group of political leaders of the USA? Could it be the Independents? The independent thinkers who looked at each candidate (without regard for political affliation) objectively and with open minds? Could this minority group consisting of only 10% of the entire voting public have decided who the core of US elected officials would be?
If they are responsible, then why aren't they gloating? Could it be that they are inconspicuously going about their day to day lives hoping that no one will notice, thereby enhancing the possiblity this scenario may repeat itself in the future? And if it does, will they elect more Republicans or Democrats next time? Nah, no way, couldn't happen, never mind..........

folkgirl said...

Free:

Once again, you have missed the point of my comment. It's population, not land size. The electoral college is based on population. There are more people on the coasts than in the midwest. Didn't you pay attention in grade school? Your gloating statement about much of the map reflecting red means nothing. A republican could have won by 1 vote and the map would show red. This election was close and there is nothing you can say that changes that FACT. Your argument has no merit.

Oh, and I don't think I am the insulting one here. I'm not the one telling anyone else to fuck off. I did not refer to anyone in the midwest as a cow farming nit-wit. My grandfather raised cows. My uncle lost his arm in a combine accident. Neither one is a redneck or stupid. Sounds like you are the "elitist arrogant" one who feels a little bit high and mighty compared to the farmers. We folks round here don't take kindly to that potty mouth, corn cob up your ass attitude of yours.

And, no, I don't expect the likes of you to act like an adult and be a gracious winner. You are overly hostile and are the epitome of right-wing nut case that brings groups like Moveon.org to life. There are extremists on both sides. Hmmmm, here's an idea for you: why don't you get out your assult rifles and shoot down all of the people that didn't vote for Bush since we are all so stupid and hate this country so much - but it sounds like that idea is already in your head.