Monday, September 06, 2004

Forget about Zell and the BIG BOUNCE --for now...

OK...Once again tensions are running high --it is a holiday and I did break my own 'No politics on the weekend rule'...Therefore --another quiz...
(One, I regret to admit, was found on "Michael Moore's less retarded (and hopefully less fat) twin's site" aka Jericho Brown -and I'n not being mean -he linked me as "Ann Coulter's less retarded twin"...) :

What Movie Hero are you?

I am William Wallace...



http://www.liquidgeneration.com/quiz/moviehero_quiz.asp

Let's all take a deep breath and see if we would be a cool movie hero or a lame one...

31 comments:

Jericho Brown said...

I f'ing (happy, everybody?) hate Michael Moore. He muddies the waters. Instead of making a movie about all the ACTUAL horrible shit Bush is doing, is associated with, has said and has done, he discredits the entire anti-Bush movement by making shit up about him. He's the best freind the right ever had and therefore my sworn enemy. If I met him, I'd cuss him out (as I'm sure many of you can imagine me doing). And I was Spiderman.

Jericho Brown said...

And I'm not fat, either. But if I was it would be glandular. Or I'd be big-boned. Or undertall.

scarlotta62 said...

Spidey Man!

91ghost said...

William Wallace

Cigarette Smoking Man from the X-Files said...

NEO, baby!!!

And it isn't so much that Moore "made stuff up" about Bush, but he put a true "2" together with a true "3" and his conclusion is "7". In other words, he was illogical in the way he used his facts.

For example, yes, Bush did business with what's-his-name. Yes, what's-his-name did business with the Saudis. Moore's conclusion is "that means Bush is in bed with the Saudis and does their bidding, and that also means Bush is secretly responsible for 9/11". It's a preposterous conclusion based on facts that don't support the conclusion.

He should have called his movie "Non-Sequitur, Appeal to Emotion, Innuendo, Excluded Evidence, Biased Sample, Bandwagon, Poisoning the Well, Failure to Consider Alternative Explanations, Appeal to Ignorance, Burden of Proof, Loaded Question, Composition, Division, Distraction, False Dichotomy, Red Herring, Special Pleading, Double Standard, Moving the Goalposts, Slippery Slope, Straw Man, and Wishful Thinking"... or as a shorter title, just "Nine Hundred and Eleven Fallacies". Very few of the possible ways to ruin an argument were absent from the crockumentary.

But, seing as I'm now Neo, I have some computer-animated jiu-jistsu to practice with Lawrence Fishburn. *chop saki moves*

ALa said...

Jericho: You are a giant liberal pain in the ass, but you do make me laugh...

92Alpha said...

William Wallace

Frater Bovious said...

Spider Man!

Cig smoking man dude, I've been calling the movie Farenheit Blair Witch 9-11 Project.

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justrose said...

Spider Man. But you would say it should be Wonder Woman, right? :)

Good job on the photoshopping. xx

MrMalcolm said...

I was Barbara Steisand.

Frater Bovious said...

So, who are all these blondes, anyway? One looks like Ann Coulter. One looks like Ala71... I think. Don't recognize the others...

Or is one Michelle Malkin after a trip to the salon?
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ALa said...

Frater: That would be the Fab Four...the GOP Dream Team if you will...Monica Crowley, ALa71, Ann Coulter & Laura Ingraham--sad that we will only ever get to hang out in photoshop...LOL.

The Oracle said...

William Wallace.

Tom said...

It said I was the bride, Uma Thurman's character, in Kill Bill.

I haven't seen the movie(s).

free0352 said...

Hate to bring up old posts, but I feel i must drudge up a past one due to my being away from my computer for the long weekend. Paul brought up a point that I should not be stating my political ofiliation or certain openions on line. to a certain degree i agree with him whole heartedly. i would never campain publicly, sign any pitition or otherwise partake in anything political in nature while wearing or representing my uniform. but luckly for me the uniform code of military justice has been ammended just for things like new technology. internet chat rooms and blogs are under military law considered a gathering of friends or at least something akin to a conversation. I am 100% constitutionaly intitled to my personal opinion, and in no way do i speak for the united states government, department of defense or the marine corps. my opinions are my own and i am intitled as a citizen of this country to have them. this in no way breaches ANY ucmj regulation, period. beleave me I have checked.
thanks, hope even you leftys had a nice labor day.

free0352 said...

As for the "marine" - I'm not saying I suspect his bonafides because of his opinions, but because his story doesn't ring true. For instance, identifying himself as a Marine sniper (they usually say they are a Scout/Sniper after the great training that Marines give them at Scout Sniper school, one of the best courses in any force in the world). He speaks of being in combat in Europe as a Marine during our Bosnian deployments. I don't know many soldiers that came under fire, much less Marines. He suggests he can't give all the details, but admits his missions (given to him with little direction no less) were given to him as a private. Do privates go out on these supposedly super-secret missions? He also repeatedly disses a former commander in chief and says flat-out he WON'T serve under Sen. Kerry if he is elected by the people. I know Marines that are ultra-conservative, that HATE Clinton, and that would go ballistic on his ass for even suggesting such a thing. Which is why I think we have a phony in our midst. He doesn't seem to be talking the talk, which is why I doubt he walked the walk. My BS detector went off.




ouch, you dems are better at going after war records than we are. ok, I'll answer some questions. fair enough.
you are correct, we marines use the term scout/sniper as the mission of the marine scout/sniper is primaraly intelligence, and not killing. those really in the know use the term 8531, which signifies our secondary mos designation. in the STA platoon, located in the HQ company of a battalion where snipers hang out, those who've been to sniper school are called pigs, where as division school grads are called hogs. I use none of these terms with civillians, as they are confusing to the non-initiated.
I was not in combat in bosnia, you may recall a little air war in a place called kosovo, also in the balkins. somebody had to go in there and disarm the KLA and it was me, my Marine Expeditionary Unit, and useless u.n. help that got the job from ol bill clinton. you not realising this illistrates my point exactly, our mission and casualties were forgotten. but, to answer your question, at that time i was a brand new boot private. unfortuneatly at that time i was not an 8531 yet, because to go to STA platoon in my battalion you had to be a corporal. I was an anti tank assault man in the caat platoon at that time. my job was to shoot tow missles off hummvees. by the way, the mos number designation for that particular mos is 0352,my primary mos. guess where i get my internet name?
After my float, I deployed to Okinawa where I picked up corporal (got lance in kosovo) and took the sta indoc. near the end of my active duty contract i was sent to afganistan as part of the marine anti-terrorism battalion. I got out of the marines temporaraly at this point only to volunteer with a reserve unit here in new york ( my current unit) to follow my best friend into combat in iraq. jarheads don't leave each other behind. i went as an 0311...rifle man. As part of the Inactive, Ready, Reserve it is considered that i have fulfilled my contract and that i serve in the marines at my own pleasure. while I can be re-called to duty, i have never been recalled and only deploy on a volunteer basis. i will cease to volunteer if kerry is elected.

hope i cleared some things up.

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free0352 said...

The sight said i was the bride from kill bill.

Tom said...

free0352:

Perhaps we could get together for a few drinks sometime.

riceburner147 said...

Although I was ID'd as Spiderman (which is funny cause i always wanted to be spidey when i was a kid and its my fav movie) my real Superhero was my sister. She raised 5 great kids (maybe Ala71 is the exception ;>) and took in foster babies and children while putting everything at risk by being arrested in numerous places in the US trying to protect the unborn. She was my best friend and an example in many ways. Lately things have been rough but blood is thicker than water !

this we'll defend said...

Free0352, thank you. I hope you can understand why I doubted you.

Did you consider your KLA disarmament mission as "combat?" If not I apologize. I must have inferred something that you didn't imply. My bad.

Were you a pig or a hog? Just wondering. The Army makes all Army Sniper School instructors go to the USMC Scout/Sniper School before they can teach. We have div schools too, but they aren't the same as the one at Benning, and we don't make it a separate MOS. The competition to be a sniper is fierce. Of course I'm old, I used the M-21, not the perfect dream-boat we have now. Damn thing didn't even hold a zero when you pulled the scope and don't even thinking about jumping it in still zeroed.

If Kerry is elected you would cease volunteering. Hmmm, that still really surprises the hell out of me. I was taught in the Army that whatever the People decide is the way it goes, and that my service to the People and our Constitution didn't depend on their political choices.

Well, regardless of your political views, thank you for your service to our nation.

Lyndsey McGowan said...

This is a very interesting topic and i think that you could really make an issue out of it.

Paul G. said...

free0352:

ALa71 was kind enough to point me to your response in this thread, I'd have never known about it otherwise.
Thank you for clearing up your affiliation. It's about as clear as mud now. I don't know of an Inactive Ready-Reserve.
Individual Ready-Reserve, which would mean your not currently active duty and the UCMJ wouldn't apply in the course of your political activities.
There may be a Judge Advocates Office advisory concerning chat rooms and BLOGs but no modification of UCMJ Article 88 or Department of Defense Directive 1344.10 in the way you indicate, at least not that I can determine.
On the subject of leaving active duty if Kerry were to win the ellection, don't be so quick.
First Active duty is active duty, you could get caught in a stoploss or even a declared war.
More so, being a Marine, there's no way your walking away from your guys and you know it.
It's kind of like a marriage, if your going in with the idea of getting out, you didn't really go in.

leftyjones said...

Apparently I am Neo.

free0352 said...

this we'll defend,

I take no offense to anyone questioning anything. It is true they're are a lotta scumbags who run around claiming to be snipers, marines, "spec-ops" or whatever the hell that means?

It is individual ready reserve, my type-o, my bad.

I carried a m-40 A1 most of my time in sta. I also carried an M203 as a spotter. and no, i never carried the m-82 amr also known as a Barret. army guys love that thing. jar heads hate it cause it weigh's a ton.

never had an m-21, but heard they were alright, especially for BUST and MOUNT, CQB type stuff. My understanding for working with 10th mountain in Djibouti and 5th SF was that the problem with them was they were old as dirt. correct me if i'm wrong, as soon the marines wish to put one of those suckers per squad.

For those of you who have no idea what this all is. when dumb jarheads get selected to be in sta platoon, they go through a gulling three day torture fest called an indoc. surviving this alows you to be a scum bag FNG in sta, better known as a pig. you train under a spotter as a trigger puller untill your team leader feels you know enough not to flunk division school. then you are sent off to stone bay in camp lejeune to endure even more pain at sniper school. upon graduation you are now a hog. I am a hog replete with hog's tooth (only the really initiated know what that means, and it's got notches) after a while one gets promoted to spotter, then team leader. if you are compotent you are sent to quantico virgina to hell, better known as scout sniper's instructer's course. i've never been there but if you graduate, you are known as a boar and you are god in your sta platoon. you then get to wake up at noon, drink emense amounts of coffe, grow a beard, and talk shit to everyone in earshot how kick ass you are.

in kosovo my mission kinda sucked. the serbians were in firefights with the kla ALL THE GODDAMN TIME. 2/8 or 3/8 or some damn 8th marines outfit was there befor us and when we releaved them they looked like hell. they got shot up pretty good, and so did we. half the time we were stuck in a cross fire between to two factions with ROE's so strict we couldn't shoot back when fired upon. it was like trying to break up a highschool fight only the dumb jocks have rifles. of course we blatantly ignored this (yes, disobeyed orders cause i didn't wana die) and shot back. both sides were just as bad and genocidal as the other and there were no angels there. while my personal mission's we're mostly clear (go to this corner and take guns away and kill people who try to kill you.) my units mission seemed bereft of planing, and i beleave this was nato goofyness. it was like fighting a war where our side is so desperate to have zero casualties on either side, you become tottaly in-effectual. the only time i've ever been happy to see belgians and some other "stan" country was when we secured the area and went back to macidonia.

contrary, iraq and afganistan was total opposite, though the mission in iraq has changed since i was there, so i can't speak on it now.

i'm slated for iraq sometime in the future. i will go cause i love my section, and i said i would. i'd stick around if bush is re-ellected, but if kerry is i'm gonna focus on sheriff's department and school. screw taking abuse.

free0352 said...

this we'll defend,

I take no offense to anyone questioning anything. It is true they're are a lotta scumbags who run around claiming to be snipers, marines, "spec-ops" or whatever the hell that means?

It is individual ready reserve, my type-o, my bad.

I carried a m-40 A1 most of my time in sta. I also carried an M203 as a spotter. and no, i never carried the m-82 amr also known as a Barret. army guys love that thing. jar heads hate it cause it weigh's a ton.

never had an m-21, but heard they were alright, especially for BUST and MOUNT, CQB type stuff. My understanding for working with 10th mountain in Djibouti and 5th SF was that the problem with them was they were old as dirt. correct me if i'm wrong, as soon the marines wish to put one of those suckers per squad.

For those of you who have no idea what this all is. when dumb jarheads get selected to be in sta platoon, they go through a gulling three day torture fest called an indoc. surviving this alows you to be a scum bag FNG in sta, better known as a pig. you train under a spotter as a trigger puller untill your team leader feels you know enough not to flunk division school. then you are sent off to stone bay in camp lejeune to endure even more pain at sniper school. upon graduation you are now a hog. I am a hog replete with hog's tooth (only the really initiated know what that means, and it's got notches) after a while one gets promoted to spotter, then team leader. if you are compotent you are sent to quantico virgina to hell, better known as scout sniper's instructer's course. i've never been there but if you graduate, you are known as a boar and you are god in your sta platoon. you then get to wake up at noon, drink emense amounts of coffe, grow a beard, and talk shit to everyone in earshot how kick ass you are.

in kosovo my mission kinda sucked. the serbians were in firefights with the kla ALL THE GODDAMN TIME. 2/8 or 3/8 or some damn 8th marines outfit was there befor us and when we releaved them they looked like hell. they got shot up pretty good, and so did we. half the time we were stuck in a cross fire between to two factions with ROE's so strict we couldn't shoot back when fired upon. it was like trying to break up a highschool fight only the dumb jocks have rifles. of course we blatantly ignored this (yes, disobeyed orders cause i didn't wana die) and shot back. both sides were just as bad and genocidal as the other and there were no angels there. while my personal mission's we're mostly clear (go to this corner and take guns away and kill people who try to kill you.) my units mission seemed bereft of planing, and i beleave this was nato goofyness. it was like fighting a war where our side is so desperate to have zero casualties on either side, you become tottaly in-effectual. the only time i've ever been happy to see belgians and some other "stan" country was when we secured the area and went back to macidonia.

contrary, iraq and afganistan was total opposite, though the mission in iraq has changed since i was there, so i can't speak on it now.

i'm slated for iraq sometime in the future. i will go cause i love my section, and i said i would. i'd stick around if bush is re-ellected, but if kerry is i'm gonna focus on sheriff's department and school. screw taking abuse.

free0352 said...

this we'll defend,

I take no offense to anyone questioning anything. It is true they're are a lotta scumbags who run around claiming to be snipers, marines, "spec-ops" or whatever the hell that means?

It is individual ready reserve, my type-o, my bad.

I carried a m-40 A1 most of my time in sta. I also carried an M203 as a spotter. and no, i never carried the m-82 amr also known as a Barret. army guys love that thing. jar heads hate it cause it weigh's a ton.

never had an m-21, but heard they were alright, especially for BUST and MOUNT, CQB type stuff. My understanding for working with 10th mountain in Djibouti and 5th SF was that the problem with them was they were old as dirt. correct me if i'm wrong, as soon the marines wish to put one of those suckers per squad.

For those of you who have no idea what this all is. when dumb jarheads get selected to be in sta platoon, they go through a gulling three day torture fest called an indoc. surviving this alows you to be a scum bag FNG in sta, better known as a pig. you train under a spotter as a trigger puller untill your team leader feels you know enough not to flunk division school. then you are sent off to stone bay in camp lejeune to endure even more pain at sniper school. upon graduation you are now a hog. I am a hog replete with hog's tooth (only the really initiated know what that means, and it's got notches) after a while one gets promoted to spotter, then team leader. if you are compotent you are sent to quantico virgina to hell, better known as scout sniper's instructer's course. i've never been there but if you graduate, you are known as a boar and you are god in your sta platoon. you then get to wake up at noon, drink emense amounts of coffe, grow a beard, and talk shit to everyone in earshot how kick ass you are.

in kosovo my mission kinda sucked. the serbians were in firefights with the kla ALL THE GODDAMN TIME. 2/8 or 3/8 or some damn 8th marines outfit was there befor us and when we releaved them they looked like hell. they got shot up pretty good, and so did we. half the time we were stuck in a cross fire between to two factions with ROE's so strict we couldn't shoot back when fired upon. it was like trying to break up a highschool fight only the dumb jocks have rifles. of course we blatantly ignored this (yes, disobeyed orders cause i didn't wana die) and shot back. both sides were just as bad and genocidal as the other and there were no angels there. while my personal mission's we're mostly clear (go to this corner and take guns away and kill people who try to kill you.) my units mission seemed bereft of planing, and i beleave this was nato goofyness. it was like fighting a war where our side is so desperate to have zero casualties on either side, you become tottaly in-effectual. the only time i've ever been happy to see belgians and some other "stan" country was when we secured the area and went back to macidonia.

contrary, iraq and afganistan was total opposite, though the mission in iraq has changed since i was there, so i can't speak on it now.

i'm slated for iraq sometime in the future. i will go cause i love my section, and i said i would. i'd stick around if bush is re-ellected, but if kerry is i'm gonna focus on sheriff's department and school. screw taking abuse.

free0352 said...

There are a lot of scumbags who claim to be Recon, or seals or snipers and in reality they arn't anything. so no offense taken. also, i've it is individual ready reserve, my bad on the type-o. You know, after my EAS i checked into my reserve unit and litterally deployed a few days later after being out for a like two weeks. I barley missed the stoploss, but i was on a one year extention as it was, so they let me go. While i definately don't wana work for john kerry, i will keep my promise and go...for the exact reason i can't just ditch my squad. but i've flirted with the thought of signing a reserve contract once my IRR one runs out. a lot of that will depend on my chain of command. while on active duty i went where i was ordered and only bitched jarhead syle (quietly) now i can quit and i relish not being contractually bound by uncle sam. i love the marines, but don't want to go through another clinton esc. type environment. so after iraq we'll see. my wife has also been through quite a bit and is a little less impressed with my service than most other folks (after three deployments and two wars, i think she's sick of it)so we'll see.

I'm a hog, stone bay graduate of 2001. I did not go to instructer's course up in quantico, I only have division school. I still carry my hawg's tooth every where i go (except when flying comercial)

free0352 said...

I completely forgot I answered this in a big hurry at work, LOL

this we'll defend said...

Free,

I never carried the M82 either. That was way too high-speed for me. I was a line doggie, not some super-secret snake eater. SF guys have it, but not infantry snipers. I don't think it makes much sense to have a .50-cal sniper rifle in a line unit. I know our EOD guys have then for unexploded ordnance too. I wouldn't want to carry that damn thing. If I have to shoot at a target THAT far away I prefer a radio and a dedicated FA battery. Yes, 91ghost, we grunts do sometimes appreciate the hell out of you redlegs.

I originally had an M21 that was 15 years old - one of the "new ones" if you can believe it. M21s were modified M14s, with all the action of the magazine, etc. That made them less reliable of course, you had to depend on the gas return to seat your rounds the same way each time, and of course that didn't happen. Sure, it was more accurate than an assault rifle, but that doesn't make it a SNIPER rifle. In MOUT and CQB it was better than bolt-action, but why the hell would any sniper care how effective his sniper rifle is in CQB? Kind of defeats the whole idea of sniper teams if you are so close you can throw hand grenades at the bad guys. No, the M21 sucked and we knew it. It was all we had, though, so we made do. As a Marine I KNOW you are familiar with that mentality. :)

Finally we received the M24, a bolt-action Remington 700 modded to take the Winchester Magnum .300. You guys have something similar in the M40, but you can't use Magnum .300 because the M40 is short action, right? It has been a while and my memory fades. I remember we usually used M118 special ball cartridge, but it takes any standard 7.62. We sometimes shot M852 match too.

I remember the day I signed for my M24 - I was in love at first sight. Everything was designed to keep the zero. Action's smooth, and you don't have to find and suck-up to an armorer in order to keep it how you want it. It has a 10X fixed Leupold scope (the M21's scope was an ART "POS" with 3x to 9x - who the hell needs that?) The M21's fiberglass bed seemed designed to make novice armorers get their ass kicked by snipers who, yet again, have lost their zero after one night in the arms room. M24s are maintained by the operator (as it should be) and thus no fuckwad armorer messes with your junk. And you have to just about hit it with a hammer to lose your zero. I once jumped in the M24, then fell down a ravine and banged myself up pretty good, and then moved to a zero range. This was AFTER being on leave for a month and having my rifle cleaned twice by armorers during my absence (they never dared do so again after I "corrected them." I still had my zero - dead on. That might sound like not such a big deal to you, but I had lost my zero with the M21 moving from one zero range lane to another (and had to endure the "it's not the equipment it's the operator" BS from the wise-ass instructors. With the M24 your Nods, your day scope, etc. - doesn't matter, it stays true. Even the iron sights stay there. You can detach and reattach and it is still there. Amazing. I've shot hundreds of rounds with the M24 and kept my zero - I've shot "tens" of rounds with the M21 and had it drift away.

All I know about the M24 is this - everybody that had the M21 suddenly became a much better shot when given the M24. 'nuff said.

free0352 said...

There is a new concept in the marines, one of the designated marksman. There is one per rifle squad, he's not quite a true sniper, more of a sharpshooter. they use m-16'w with hensholt optics. I've been in situations where pinpoint fire was needed but at a relatively short range. Like issues with collateral damage. one good head shot at 300 m at a croud or riot beats several bursts with the .50 cal ma duce. in places like al' nassiria my buddies in task force tarawa stated that the m-40 was kickass for a lot of shit in urban, but marine sout/snipers are directly atatched to infantry batalions and sometimes it would be helpfull to have the spotter sporting something more acurate than an m-16, but selective fire for rapid target acquisition. while by no means we should ever get rid of the m-40. the barret makes short work of technicals and light apc's. it also does well in the EOD role as you said. It's classified as an Anti Material rifle. I've heard gulf war one stories of guys taking out SAM launcher radar trucks with those things. there are only a few of them in sta anyway, but for what they are for they kick ass. we carried em broken down in a drag bag and carried an m-16 as TO weapon. trying to manuvre in brush on a stalk with an m-82 is like compromised city. Its big and loud and the plastic mags rattle. guys useually asemble it while they do thier terrain sketch, or map recon befor selecting a position. I shot one of those new m-24's back in Djibouti. 5th SF guys were there and well you know snipers talk. those guys as you probly know have total freedom so pretty soon we were on an improvised range. I hate to post this...as a marine...i..gulp...liked it better than the m-40. i have not shot the new A2 model of the m-40 so maybe its even now, and I surely like the unterl scope better than that leopold, but on the whole that thing kicks ass. Ain't the Rem 700 like the best reciver ever made? you just can't beat that thing. this is making me nolstalgic for sta and i need to shut up. i'm a squad leader in wpns platoon in my reserve unit. if hq co weren't so far away i'd drop back into a sta platoon. this is making me wana do it and piss my wife off, so i'll go. later.