Sunday, August 01, 2004

Senator Kerry's Contributions

1) Provided “Winter Soldier”, as listening entertainment, for POW’s in cells and cages in Vietnam.

2) Provided work for Military Personnel Records when they had to re-ship the medals/ribbons that he threw at the White House.

3) Provided various jobs in editing, publishing and book distribution when he published ‘The New Soldier’ in 1971 (–but he is hindering jobs now that he won’t allow it to be republished…wonder why?)

4) Provided work for restaurant wait staff as he romanced Morgan Fairchild, Cornelia Guest and even President Reagan's daughter, Patti Davis –all while still married to Julia Thorne.

5) Provided employment for psychiatrists, counselors and pharmacists to treat then suicidal first wife –as he left her to campaign to become Dukakis’ Lt. Governor.

6) Provided employment for lawyers when divorcing first multi-millionaire wife.

7) Provided work for Archdiocese when he petitioned for an annulment from Thorne even though they had two grown daughter together.

8) Provided employment for more lawyers to set up pre-nup with Theresa.

9) Provided employment for various city workers when he demanded a fire hydrant be moved from the front of his house to fit his SUV (that he owned in Detroit, but didn’t own on Earth Day).

10) Provided steady employment for hairdressers.

11) Provided employment for various plastic surgeons.

12) Provided work for various mechanics to maintain private jets/planes.

13) Provided work for many service people in maintaining various mansions (though this may include outsourcing as some are overseas).

14) Providing future plans to create jobs as lawyers stand by in Florida awaiting election results.

15) Continuing to provide endless fodder for conservative bloggers.

I see that I have rushed to judgment. In the past, I have wrongly insinuated that Kerry has done nothing-- clearly I was wrong…

12 comments:

this we'll defend said...

Some things Kerry hasn't done:

1) when attacked, responded by invading the wrong country

2) Lied about the reasons for the invasion

3) declared the mission was accomplished

4) Said "bring it on" with a smirk when speaking about attacks that were killing our soldiers

5) skipped every military funeral

6) dodged the draft and then claimed veterans status

7) spent decades of his life with no job living off of his daddy's money and drinking himself into a stupor every night

8) refused to take a required physical so that he lost his flight status

9) got mediocre grades

10) failed to learn about the world around him

11) showed brilliant math skills by cutting taxes while spending balloned out of control while insisting that no deficit would result

12) when deficit resulted, blamed it on 9/11

13) blamed everything else on 9/11

14) questioned the patriotism of those who tried to convince him invading the wrong country was a really bad idea (including senior military leadership)

15) pledged to be "a uniter not a divider" and then called for a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage

16)alienated our oldest and most powerful allies in favor of Micronesia, etc.

If Kerry turns out to be the second-worst president our nation has ever had he will be better than Bush.

91ghost said...

Have you thought about having a talk show? I'd watch it.

justrose said...

91Ghost -- for lack of a better word, I'm a guest on her talk show every day, and it's pretty damn funny.

ALa said...

TWD: Wow...has CNN hired you as a legal consultant? Enough with the propaganda. See, I made sure not to write anything that was not proven or blatantly false (like allegations that Kerry was a dead-beat dad ...ooops I just wrote it), but you, in Michael Moore fashion, decided to list things that are false.
1> Bush didn't respond by invading the wrong country after we were attacked...not sure if you know this but we still have troops in Afghanistan (I actually know someone who was there and is going back in 2 weeks).
2> Once again, let's reiterate that the American people were given FIVE reasons why we were going into Iraq. The beloved by the left, 9/11 commission and British commission, and Senate Intelligence commission have ALL stated that neither Bush nor Blair lied.
3>'Mission Accomplished' was for the crew that was coming home --their mission was accomplished. The major objective of taking out Saddam and overtaking Baghdad was accomplished. He said 'Major operations' were over BUT that there was a long a difficult road ahead.
4>"Bring it in on" was a statement to show that we will not waiver -we will not be Spain, France or the Filipines. Everyone knew this, but it was a nice talking point for Terry McAwful & the DNC. (Won't hold you on this one, because if it were Kerry we'd spin it too)
5>THIS IS SUCH A LIE!!! I am SO sick of people saying this. He has been to military funerals, he has visited Walter Reed and Methesda many times and has met with families of soldiers who died many time.
6>You know and I know that the only draft dodger that we have had as President would be 'Magical Me' (Bill Clinton). Being military I am sure that you are quite aware of the fact that joining the National Guard and dodging the draft (to go 'not inhale' and protest on foreign soil) are not even comparable. I feel -especially being military- it is really wrong for you to say that ...
7>First a draft dodger and now a drunk...did they teach you about slander and libel in law school? Dubya was a partier when he was young --I was a partier when I was young. Does that make me a bad person? CB talks about what a partier he was all the time -does that diminish him in your eyes? I didn't do all that great in High school...A's, B's, and yes, some C's...but I didn't care either -my social life always took priority. I did kick ass in college, but that's because I had to pay for it myself...
8>You have no idea why he didn't take the physical.
9> Mediocre grades at Harvard and Yale would probably translate to A's and B's at a state college -but like I said-when your into your social life -grades often come second and are not indicative of intelligence. I know someone who got a PERFECT SCORE on SAT's and failed out of college and is now a landscaper.
10>Before 9/11 I couldn't have told you who the Prime Minister of any country was (except England -but I lived there for a year). This is silly because you have no idea what he knew.
11>Every economist that I have seen/read has said that the influx of money from the tax cuts kept the country afloat after 9/11 -we have had deficits before and the interest rates are WAY low.
12>Everything can be blamed on 9/11 -anthrax scare - and Clinton/Gore recession.
13>I have never heard anyone question anyone else's Patriotism...I have heard Dems claim that people are questioning their Patriotism when someone questions their VOTING record. Another nice DNC talking point.
14>Al Gore divided us when he contested the election -The first time in history...Bush had no chance to be a uniter.
15>Oil for Food Scandal...there were SIXTY countries in the coalition. Why do France, Germany and Russia constitute our 'strongest allies' how? when? where? what?
Jimmy Carter already holds that title...
I have come to expect better from you TWD!

Kat said...

ALa71...babe, you've got to go over to TWD's site. He is all over the "Bush Lied, People Died" thing.

Plus, he is insisting that, even though Kerry voted for action in Iraq (after obviously seeing specific intelligence for the last 14 years), that he didn't really authorize it because the asked the president to go to the UN. This he refers to as "nuance". I refer to it as "straddling the fence" or "hedging your bets". Of course, he conveniently forgot to mention the 3 major attempts to get the buy in that weren't going to come, no matter what we did. That's convenient.

That's like saying, "I know we chopped off both your legs and tied your hands behind your back, but that's no excuse, you should have beat Mike Tyson."

TWD..I'm like ALa...I really expected better than the "Bush lied, people died" meme coming out of your keyboard. Maybe you should talk to my brother. He thinks 9/11 was a conspiracy by the joos to get us to come over and help them fight their war.

Conspiracy Theorists Unite! The men in black are coming for you.

~Jen~ said...

Ala, you are truly gifted.

this we'll defend said...

Kat, I didn't realize your brother was onto us. We'll fix that problem soon...

"just cause your paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you"
The Dead Fish, a terrible college band that I used to like

Bathus said...

My response to this we'll defend's earlier post of liberal one-liners:

Some things Kerry hasn't done:1) when attacked, responded by invading the wrong country If Iraq was the "wrong country to invade," then why did Kerry vote to give Bush authority to invade it?

2) Lied about the reasons for the invasion Be specific: What was the lie Bush supposedly told? Or are you just lying about Bush lying? Nice trick!

3) declared the mission was accomplished That mission to put an end to Saddam's rule was accomplished, not much thanks to John Kerry. If the mission was not accomplished, then why did Kerry vote against the funding our troops needed to continue the mission?
If Kerry had his way in 1991, Saddam would still be in Kuwait. Kerry said he wanted to let sanctions work. Twelve years later, sanctions hadn't worked, but Kerry now claims there was a "rush to war." The sadly ironic thing is that most of the libs who opposed invading Iraq had spent the preceeding twelve years opposing the sanctions. I have no problem with fact that no WMDs have been found in Iraq. That's all so much the better because it means we got rid of Saddam before he had a chance to re-start his WMD programs, the capacity for which he continuously maintained. And he would have restarted those programs when the West grew tired of containment and took the heat off him, as our French "allies" lobbied so hard to do. Kerry apparently would have preferred that we waited to invade until after Saddam had reconstituted a nice arsenal of WMDs to use against our troops.

4) Said "bring it on" with a smirk when speaking about attacks that were killing our soldiers I couldn't agree more with Bush's sentiment. It would absolutely be best if our enemies would to choose confront our forces right away so we can identify them and kill them all as quickly as possible. It would be best to fight this war once and for all and get it over with, instead of doing half the job and having to re-fight it again ten years from now. If "bring it on" will entice some of our enemies out of the woodwork, that's all the better. It is to be sorely regretted that some of our boys will die in the fight, but you mention that sad inevitability only to wring a few cheap political points from their deaths.


5) skipped every military funeral If Bush had attended a military funeral, you would have accused him of grandstanding. Unlike you, Bush chooses not to use a warrior's funeral as an opportunity to score a few cheap political points. And if he did attend some funerals, but not others, how would he avoid insulting the families of those whose funerals he did not attend? Which funerals did Kerry attend? And why did he not attend others? Probably because he would not have been welcomed and would have been pitched out on his ear.

6) dodged the draft and then claimed veterans status Bush didn't dodge the draft. He volunteered for National Guard Service. And then he performed the required service. Clinton signed up for ROTC to dodge the draft, but then he reneged on the ROTC. You weren't bothered by that, were you?

7) spent decades of his life with no job living off of his daddy's money and drinking himself into a stupor every night Kerry has spent decades of his life living off of his wives' money (or to be more specific living of the money his latest wife inherited from her dead Republican husband) and boring the world into a stupor every night. Other than making his early career out of demeaning the service of the men he served (briefly) with in Viet Nam, Kerry has spent the vast majority of his life as a well-salaried politican, contributing little to society in return. For the last twenty years, he's been Senator Cipher.

8) refused to take a required physical so that he lost his flight status Kerry used three very minor wounds, probably faked, to win three purple hearts so he could skeddadle out of Viet Nam after only four months, thereby avoiding 2/3 of the usual deployment. Do you find nothing the slightest bit distasteful about Kerry not merely accepting, but actively lobbying for, purple hearts for "wounds" that are documented as mere scratches? Kerry's been running and faking it every since. And he's been milking his "service" every since then, too. How do you explain the fact that, of the men who appear in the famous picture of Kerry with twenty-two of his fellow swift boat officers, only two support him, while eleven say he's unfit to be serve as commander-in-chief. (Hat tip to Cam Edwards.)

9) got mediocre grades Your point being?

Winston Churchill and Jack Kennedy were also mediocre students, and FDR skated by at Harvard with "gentleman's C's." Jimmy Carter, on the other hand, was a "nukier" engineer (or sometimes claimed to be, but then that puffery turned out to be false). The list of great leaders who were mediocre students is long. The list of ineffective leaders who got terrific grades is even longer. Bush is on the first list. I don't know Kerry's academic record, but mediocre grades would be the only thing that would keep him off the second list.

10) failed to learn about the world around him If by "failed to learn," you mean to imply that Bush has not accepted the wisdom that France deserves to dictate the direction of the Western World, you'd be right. Speaking of learning about the world, were you aware that Kerry did not bother to read the Iraq intelligence report before he voted to authorize the invasion?


11) showed brilliant math skills by cutting taxes while spending balloned out of control while insisting that no deficit would result So you think the federal government does not take enough of your money. I have the solution for you: You can send the IRS a voluntary contribution. (But, of course, very few liberals take advantage of this option, because they are only "liberal" with other people's money.) As for me, I think the federal government already takes plenty of my money, and plenty of everybody else's, too. When John Kerry and Ted Kennedy voluntarily give the government so much of their inherited money that they have to start living off the equivilent of my after-tax income, then we can talk about tax increases.

12) when deficit resulted, blamed it on 9/11 The direct and indirect economic effects of 9/11 were devastating to our economy. To say otherwise is nonsense. The economic cost to New City alone was estimated at $35 billion during just the first 9 months after the attack. But you are right to suggest that 9/11 alone was not the only cause contributing to the deficit: There was the recession Bush inherited from Clinton (a recession which began in early 2000), the Enron fiasco (the causes of which also developed during Clinton's watch), SARS (which added greatly to the troubles of the airline industry), the Antrax attacks, and the costs of the war in Iraq (which was a necessary war). Even most liberals know that tax increases and/or spending reductions are coutner-productive responses to a recession, while tax cuts stimulate economic activity during recession. But if you are really worried about the deficit, then let's talk about the social programs you want to cut.

13) blamed everything else on 9/11 See the response to #13.

14) questioned the patriotism of those who tried to convince him invading the wrong country was a really bad idea (including senior military leadership) This overworked canard is more of the Dems' sacred victimology. They make disgusting statements (like these), and then respond to critics by playing the victim and claiming that their patriotism has been questioned. Of course, the folks who most often accuse others of being "unpatriot" or "unamerican" are the libs themselves: most recently Madame Kerry herself. She has an established record of accusing others of being unpatriotic. But if you criticize her for calling others unpatriotic, then her husband gets all indignant that you are "attacking his wife," which is a slick way of attacking his opponents while hiding behind his wife's skirt. (He learned that tactic from Clinton, who had plenty of opportunities to pefect the technique.) The truth is that if you criticize liberals' positions on the war or national defense or anything else, the crybabies will whine that you are calling them unpatriotic.

15) pledged to be "a uniter not a divider" and then called for a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage Only after courts usurped a power to bless gay marriage, contrary to the will of the vast majority of the American people. By the way, where does Kerry stand on the issue? Well, he is against gay marriage (or so he says), but he is also against the constitutional amendment that is now unfortunately necessary to prevent the courts from establishing gay marriage by judicial fiat. But he is for amending the Massachusetts constitution to ban gay marriage. (I guess that makes Kerry a "divider," too, at least in Massachusetts.) On this issue, Kerry is flip-flopping all over the map the same way he does on everything else. But this is what he calls "nuance," a fancy word for trying to be all things to all people, while never taking a firm stand on anything.

16) alienated our oldest and most powerful allies in favor of Micronesia, etc. Tony Blair would disagree. Just which "powerful" ally did you have in mind? The "powerful" French have exactly one aircraft carrier, which spends most of its time in dry-dock because it's not sea-worthy. (It is instructive that the allies who have been among the most supportive are those who know something about tyranny from having lived under the shadow of the Soviet Union.) And if by "oldest allies," you mean those who have the longest unbroken history of fighting on our side, you can't count the Germans, the Russians, or even the French, whose navy, fired (albeit ineffectively) on allied ships in WWII (before being sent quickly to the sea floor). Our "oldest and most powerful" allies are the Brits and the Aussies. Guess what, they're with us! So go back and reveiw your point #10, the one about failing to learn about the world around you, and then pull the beam out of your eye.

Instead of constantly lengthening the endless list of things Kerry is not and the endless list of things Kerry will not do, perhaps his supporters might take a moment to say what he is and what he would do. We know he served in Viet Nam. We know he won't be Bush, and we know he won't do what Bush has done (or so he says). But other than the vague vapidities about "winning back the respect of our allies," "negotiating with North Korea," and "fighting for working families," Kerry's "plan" remains a mystery.

justrose said...

Adeimantus, how do you get all those cool links WITHIN your post?

Sorry to divert everyone off the serious business at hand --

this we'll defend said...

1. I addressed the "Kerry voted for war" fallacy on my site. Kerry did vote in Congress to give the President the authority he needed to invade Iraq. Whether that is the same as a vote to invade Iraq is "nuanced." Bottom line: Bush got a blank check and cashed it, so it was Bush's decision, not Kerry's.

2. The lie? Well, it wasn't just one. We will be greeted as liberators; Saddam is close to building an A-bomb; Yellowcake; links with Al Queda; commanders got all the troops they asked for; invading Iraq is why Libya is renoucing WMDs; on and on and on. All BS.

3. If the mission is accomplished why is CB still getting shot at? Oh, it was all about Saddam and not Iraq? Strange reasoning. But if true it justifies the war - for an Iraqi. Not for us.

And the bait-and-switch about Kerry voting against the funding our troops needed is typical half-truth horse#$%*. He put forward a bill to spend $67 billion, paid for by ending the tax cuts on the wealthiest 1%, and to put more strings on the $20 billion that the administration wanted for rebuilding projects because he felt that without oversight the money would be misused (since the Bush adminstration had previously spent money on planning for the invasion without authorization). Republicans voted the bill down, thus they voted against the funding our troops needed. They preferred to borrow the money for the war from our kids. The $20 billion that was needed right away? Less than $500 million has been spent. KERRY WAS RIGHT and did not "abandon" the troops. Bush is lying by insinuating he did in order to win an election. Shameless.

So you have no problems with WMD not being found. Great. The American people were told we needed to invade because of WMDs, but that doesn't bother you. Fine. It does me.

4. "If "bring it on" will entice some of our enemies out of the woodwork, that's all the better." Ahhh, the strategy was to bring them out of the woodwork. So the more our troops get shot at the closer we are to winning. Brilliant. Who could argue with that logic?

"It is to be sorely regretted that some of our boys will die in the fight, but you mention that sad inevitability only to wring a few cheap political points from their deaths." You mean when I landed on the aircraft carrier? I served with those "boys" and each death is not a statistic to me. I've been on casualty notification teams and seen the light go dead in a parent's eyes when told that their kid is never coming home. You think I would exploit dead soldiers for political points. Shame on you.

5. "Unlike you, Bush chooses not to use a warrior's funeral as an opportunity to score a few cheap political points." - your hatred of those you disagree with is palpable. I've been to many a military funeral, and not for political reasons. Soldier deaths are real to me and not a news item ticking along on the bottom of Fox News. Again, shame on you.

6. "Bush didn't dodge the draft. He volunteered for National Guard Service. And then he performed the required service. Clinton signed up for ROTC to dodge the draft, but then he reneged on the ROTC. You weren't bothered by that, were you?" Well, yes I was actually. But anyone that claims volunteering for the TX Air NG wasn't dodging the draft is an ignorant ass. To compare serving in the NG in the late '60s with today's warriors who Bush is misusing (and who don't join to avoid any draft) is despicable. Bush dodged combat service in Vietnam and joined a "champagne" unit with other children of privilege. I respect people who took a stand against the war more than those who merely cared about their own personal safety.

7. "Kerry has spent decades of his life living off of his wives' money" - Kerry worked, yes as a politician. Bush didn't. 'nuff said.

8. "Kerry used three very minor wounds, probably faked, to win three purple hearts so he could skeddadle out of Viet Nam after only four months, thereby avoiding 2/3 of the usual deployment." More lies. The truth is at http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/service.asp. Those who attack his military record lose all credibility immediately. The facts are well-known and I don't care if you don't like them. They are facts. Stop lying to make your point, especially when you are disparaging a warrior's record. It is true that Kerry didn't win any medals for defending El Paso from the VC.

9. My point about mediocre grades is that we have a mediocre mind in the oval office. 'nuff said.

10. He did fail to learn about the world around him, and it is still hurting us. Oh, but Kerry would let France run our country you say. Not that you would engage in hysterics or anything. Hell, Kerry might rape grandma, hates Jesus, and wants to force abortions on virgin teenagers. Don't vote Kerry - he'll surrender to France!

11. Your tax argument wasn't an argument at all. Perhaps our record deficits don't really exist - like WMDs. But of course they do and apparently you don't understand why that matters.

12. "The direct and indirect economic effects of 9/11 were devastating to our economy. To say otherwise is nonsense." I never said it wasn't - a classic case of right-wing "answering a question that wasn't asked" misdirection. I said he blamed the deficit on 9/11, but the deficit existed on 9/10 just as everybody said it would. He also said during the campaign that he could cut taxes without using up all the surplus while everybody said the math didn't add up. The surplus was gone before 9/11. You answer by pointing out that 9/11 had a devastating impact. Well, uhh, yes it did.

13. See above.

14. "The truth is that if you criticize liberals' positions on the war or national defense or anything else, the crybabies will whine that you are calling them unpatriotic." Let's pretend you didn't suggest Kerry would turn our sovereignty over to France only a few lines above. Or suggest I would use soldier's deaths for political purposes. Or suggest Kerry faked his purple hearts. Let's just pretend.

15. "Only after courts usurped a power to bless gay marriage, contrary to the will of the vast majority of the American people." I see the reason for the Bill of Rights, and for lifetime tenure for federal judges, is completely lost on you. "Tyranny of the majority" mean anything to you? Didn't think so.

16. "you can't count the Germans, the Russians, or even the French" - well, of course I would rather have Micronesia on my side than the might of Europe. As a matter of fact, why did we waste all those years on NATO when Ghana was available as an ally? Silly us.

You are right - I know Kerry won't be Bush. That is enough for me.

Bathus said...

My replies to this we'll defend's latest are interlined bold in brackets:

1. I addressed the "Kerry voted for war" fallacy on my site. Kerry did vote in Congress to give the President the authority he needed to invade Iraq. Whether that is the same as a vote to invade Iraq is "nuanced." Bottom line: Bush got a blank check and cashed it, so it was Bush's decision, not Kerry's. [Bush does not deny his responsibility for the decision to go to war. Kerry denies his. That’s the difference. And by the way, I want to compliment you that the argument on your web site about this subject is a fat load of steamy nuance.]2. The lie? Well, it wasn't just one. We will be greeted as liberators; [We were, by the people we liberated. Of course, the people who were oppressing the people we liberated weren't so thrilled.] Saddam is close to building an A-bomb [You'd rather wait to invade until he had one.] ; Yellowcake [The truth about that is now emerging, and it turns out Wilson is a liar.]; links with Al Queda [The 9/11 commission confirmed links existed.]; commanders got all the troops they asked for [What does that have to do with your original point about the "reason for the invasion"?] ; invading Iraq is why Libya is renoucing WMDs [Either that, or an amazing coincidence]; on and on and on. All BS.

3. If the mission is accomplished why is CB still getting shot at? Oh, it was all about Saddam and not Iraq? Strange reasoning. But if true it justifies the war - for an Iraqi. Not for us. [Saddam is gone and that was mission #1. Mission #2 is getting Iraq on the road to stability, which will be a grand accomplishment for Iraq, for that region, for us, and for the world. That will take some time, but we’re headed in the right direction.]And the bait-and-switch about Kerry voting against the funding our troops needed is typical half-truth horse#$%*. He put forward a bill to spend $67 billion, paid for by ending the tax cuts on the wealthiest 1%, and to put more strings on the $20 billion that the administration wanted for rebuilding projects because he felt that without oversight the money would be misused (since the Bush adminstration had previously spent money on planning for the invasion without authorization). [To hell with secrecy: Heaven forbid that a president should make a war plan without first announcing his intention and receiving public approval in a vote in Congress before he even thinks about invading another country. Who does he think he is, commander-in-chief?] Republicans voted the bill down, thus they voted against the funding our troops needed. They preferred to borrow the money for the war from our kids. The $20 billion that was needed right away? Less than $500 million has been spent. KERRY WAS RIGHT and did not "abandon" the troops. Bush is lying by insinuating he did in order to win an election. Shameless. [Nuance, nuance, and more nuance. Let me quote: "I actually voted for the $87 billion before I voted against it."]So you have no problems with WMD not being found. Great. The American people were told we needed to invade because of WMDs, but that doesn't bother you. Fine. It does me. [Sorry you're so bothered. But we did need to invade because of WMDs, in case he did have them, which most everyone (including Kerry and Clinton) thought he did. The fact that we got to him before he could re-start his programs to crank out WMDs that he could use on our troops was a bonus, one for which I'm sure our troops are thankful. Why does that bother you? I'm glad we got him before he built new WMDs because I know that's exactly what he planned to do as soon as the heat was off. You'd rather have waited until after he had them?]4. "If "bring it on" will entice some of our enemies out of the woodwork, that's all the better." Ahhh, the strategy was to bring them out of the woodwork. So the more our troops get shot at the closer we are to winning. Brilliant. Who could argue with that logic? [You obviously can't argue with that logic since you offer nothing to oppose it, (other than your usual rhetorical arm-waving). Yes, the more the enemy come out of the woodwork to shoot at our troops, the faster our troops kill them, and the sooner our troops can come home. So any stratagem, large or small, that incites the enemy to show their faces is a good one.]

"It is to be sorely regretted that some of our boys will die in the fight, but you mention that sad inevitability only to wring a few cheap political points from their deaths." You mean when I landed on the aircraft carrier? [No, I mean when you used it to score cheap political points on this blog.] I served with those "boys" and each death is not a statistic to me. I've been on casualty notification teams and seen the light go dead in a parent's eyes when told that their kid is never coming home. You think I would exploit dead soldiers for political points. Shame on you. [Yes, I do think you would exploit their funerals to score a few cheap political points. The reason I think you would do that is because I observed you do it in your original post, specifically in your point #5. If your original point #5 was not an attempt to use soldiers’ funerals to score a few political points, then what exactly were you trying to do by accusing Bush of "skipping" their funerals? And if you served on death notice teams, you—more than almost anyone--should know better! Yes, your service is honorable and appreciated, but using that service as the safety pins with which you wrap yourself in the flag is not. It's unseemly that you would try to use your service to "shame" others into silence, and in my experience, most warriors just won't stoop to it. Neither should you.]5. "Unlike you, Bush chooses not to use a warrior's funeral as an opportunity to score a few cheap political points." - your hatred of those you disagree with is palpable. I've been to many a military funeral, and not for political reasons. [A fact which makes it all the more sad that you would use soldiers’ funerals to score political points off Bush.] Soldier deaths are real to me and not a news item ticking along on the bottom of Fox News. Again, shame on you. [Accusing those who call you to account a "hater" is a variety of the worn out victimology you've used in your point #14: Whenever someone disagrees with the Dems, the Dems whine that they are being called unpatriotic. Why is it that if a Democrat has a military record, he thinks it gives him a free pass to laddle "shame" on whoever points it out when he demeans his own service by wielding it as a rhetorical hammer against his ideological opponents? I'm sure your service was honorable. But it gives you no special license for rhetorical excesses. Now, can we just get on with the discussion?]6. "Bush didn't dodge the draft. He volunteered for National Guard Service. And then he performed the required service. Clinton signed up for ROTC to dodge the draft, but then he reneged on the ROTC. You weren't bothered by that, were you?" Well, yes I was actually. But anyone that claims volunteering for the TX Air NG wasn't dodging the draft is an ignorant ass. To compare serving in the NG in the late '60s with today's warriors who Bush is misusing (and who don't join to avoid any draft) is despicable. Bush dodged combat service in Vietnam and joined a "champagne" unit with other children of privilege. I respect people who took a stand against the war more than those who merely cared about their own personal safety. [If Bush was so worried about his personal safety, he wouldn't have been flying jets.]7. "Kerry has spent decades of his life living off of his wives' money" - Kerry worked, yes as a politician. Bush didn't. 'nuff said. [Kerry and his "work" in the Senate are ciphers. Even he knows better than to try to run on his Senate record.]8. "Kerry used three very minor wounds, probably faked, to win three purple hearts so he could skeddadle out of Viet Nam after only four months, thereby avoiding 2/3 of the usual deployment." More lies. The truth is at http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/service.asp. Those who attack his military record lose all credibility immediately. The facts are well-known and I don't care if you don't like them. They are facts. Stop lying to make your point, especially when you are disparaging a warrior's record. It is true that Kerry didn't win any medals for defending El Paso from the VC. [Snopes reports: Purple Heart #1: "It was not a very serious wound at all." Purple Heart #2: "As in the previous case, 'Kerry's wound was not serious enough to require time off from duty.'" Purple Heart #3: "cost him about two days of service." The real truth about Kerry, in words of the men who were in Viet Nam with him, is at http://www.swiftvets.com/: "We believe, based on our experience with him, that he is totally unfit to be the Commander-in-Chief." "He arrived in-country with a strong anti-Vietnam War bias and a self-serving determination to build a foundation for his political future. He was aggressive, but vain and prone to impulsive judgment, often with disregard for specific tactical assignments. He was a 'loose cannon.' In an abbreviated tour of four months and 12 days, and with his specious medals secure, Lt.(jg) Kerry bugged out and began his infamous betrayal of all United States forces in the Vietnam War." That's the Swift Boat veterans' words, not mine. They should know.]9. My point about mediocre grades is that we have a mediocre mind in the oval office. 'nuff said. [In that case, we had an even more mediocre mind in the oval office during WWII. It is, at best, an irrelvant point—your favorite kind.]10. He did fail to learn about the world around him, and it is still hurting us. Oh, but Kerry would let France run our country you say. Not that you would engage in hysterics or anything. Hell, Kerry might rape grandma, hates Jesus, and wants to force abortions on virgin teenagers. Don't vote Kerry - he'll surrender to France! [The only hysterical words I see here are yours.]11. Your tax argument wasn't an argument at all. Perhaps our record deficits don't really exist - like WMDs. But of course they do and apparently you don't understand why that matters. [If you had an argument here, I could respond to it, but since you don't, I can't.]12. "The direct and indirect economic effects of 9/11 were devastating to our economy. To say otherwise is nonsense." I never said it wasn't - a classic case of right-wing "answering a question that wasn't asked" misdirection. [And I never said you said it wasn't. Besides which, you're the one who loves exaggerated non sequitors: "rape grandma, hates Jesus."] I said he blamed the deficit on 9/11, but the deficit existed on 9/10 just as everybody said it would.[That assertion is demonstrably false.] He also said during the campaign that he could cut taxes without using up all the surplus while everybody said the math didn't add up. The surplus was gone before 9/11. [Again, demonstrably false!] You answer by pointing out that 9/11 had a devastating impact. Well, uhh, yes it did.

13. See above. [I did. But there was no "there" there.]14. "The truth is that if you criticize liberals' positions on the war or national defense or anything else, the crybabies will whine that you are calling them unpatriotic." Let's pretend you didn't suggest Kerry would turn our sovereignty over to France only a few lines above. Or suggest I would use soldier's deaths for political purposes. Or suggest Kerry faked his purple hearts. Let's just pretend. [If pretending seems useful to you, go ahead and pretend--you're good at!]15. "Only after courts usurped a power to bless gay marriage, contrary to the will of the vast majority of the American people." I see the reason for the Bill of Rights, and for lifetime tenure for federal judges, is completely lost on you. "Tyranny of the majority" mean anything to you? [Yes, it does, thank you. I've studied a little with the man who produced the best ever translation of Tocqueville's Democracy in America.] Didn't think so. [Show me where the constitution enshrines the "right" to sodomy. Yes, lifetime tenure for federal judges is a good thing. And so are the provisions that allow for constitutional amendments, which serve as a check on lifetime judges when they get out of control. But wasn't your original point that Bush's supporting a constitutional amendment against gay marriage was divisive? Well, as I brought to your attention in my last comment, Kerry supports a constitutional ban on gay marriage, too, in Massachusetts. So explain to me again (or rather for the first time, since you've ignored this point in your first response) why Kerry doing the same thing in Massachusetts isn't divisive. I am sure your explanation will include plenty of nuance.]16. "you can't count the Germans, the Russians, or even the French" - well, of course I would rather have Micronesia on my side than the might of Europe. As a matter of fact, why did we waste all those years on NATO when Ghana was available as an ally? Silly us. [Yes, I suppose we do look rather silly having spent all those years and all that money protecting Europe. As alliances go, this one always was mostly a one way street, with us pulling the cart, while the Europeans rode for free. Such were our European "allies" (with the Brits being the only notable exception). Yes, we had good reasons for protecting the Europeans from the Soviets, even though they could never return the favor even if they might ever want to. But for you to speak of the "might" of Europe--that’s a good one! In terms of military capacity, the French and Germans, are hardly more useful allies than Micronesia. In practical terms, they are less useful.]For the record:

This we'll defend's original comment is here.My original response to his comment is here.His reply to my response is here.(Lawyers and budding lawyers like to keep things orderly.)

this we'll defend said...

Your selective use of facts and unsupported conclusions is staggering. I would list them all but we obviously will agree to disagree. You think Bush has done no wrong. The military professionals responsible for our national security disagree, but what do they know. And instead of running on the strenght of your candidates record your party chooses to demonize the opposition.

Perhaps most disturbing is that you appear to be a lawyer but you aren't bothered by Bush's use of funds in planning for war with Iraq that Congress authorized for other purposes. You say "Heaven forbid that a president should make a war plan without first announcing his intention and receiving public approval in a vote in Congress before he even thinks about invading another country. Who does he think he is, commander-in-chief?" Well, since the Constitution gave all taxing and spending powers to Congress while the President must carry out laws Congress passes it seems pretty important to me. As you say, recieving public approval before he "even thinks about invading another country" is not necessary - he can think whatever he wants. Spending billions in preparation, billions that he does not have the authority to spend, is another thing. It is an impeachable offense. It isn't as easy to understand or as scandalous as a blowjob by an intern, though, so nothing will happen. And that doesn't bother you. Terrorism (or communism or nazism or the Confederacy) is no excuse for tossing out the Constitution. Our Founders fought for that document so tossing it aside because we are now in a fight is unjustifiable. So yes I am bothered, and "Commander in Chief" gives a president authority over the armed forces, not over civilians, Congress, or anything else. We don't need a Caesar. I'll stick with the rule of the people.

I could go on and on tearing your circular arguments to pieces but nobody will read on and it won't convince you otherwise, so I'll just say I disagree with you and leave it at that. I won't discuss your despicable charge that I would use dead soldiers for politics.

Don't look behind that curtain, voters, the wizard is the one you see on TV. Don't ask questions - it's unpatriotic. Don't read about Kerry's record for yourself - take it on faith that his serving in Vietnam was cowardice and all a ploy for his later political career while Bush's NG service was sheer heroism. Don't blame the deficit on Bush's tax cuts - blame it on 9/11 (or Clinton somehow). Our allies during the Cold War were really cowards. WMDs always justifies pre-emptive war even though that means invading Mexico and Canada next. War is peace. Hate is love.

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