Monday, July 26, 2004

The Hillary Factor

I am really not into the whole black helicopter/conspiracy theory thing…HOWEVER--I do allow myself one indulgence –The Hillary Factor…

Now, let me preface this apocalyptic post by saying that I was never a ‘right wing Clinton basher’. I thought that his abuse of power was disgusting, but I wasn’t driving around with a 12 foot effigy of him with flames coming out of his pants. He wasn’t a hate inspiring President for me –kind of a non-President. (“Consensus signals the absence of true leadership” Madeline Albright)

Hillary is another story. She scares the hell out of me. There is a small bit of respect mixed in with that fear (–in the interest of full disclosure). Now, I have tried to think through the two available scenarios by which she will get herself elected as the first female President of the United States in 2008 –because this is the grand plan…that I would bet on. Only one scenario works for her…

Scenario 1: Bush Wins

The Clintons control the DNC right now. This is unusual because, technically, it should be Al Gore as he was the last nominee. The head of the DNC, Terry McAwful, is the Clintons hand-picked guy. Dean said that he would fire McAwful should he attain the nomination. Dean was promptly taken out of the race in a scream of agony. Gen. Wesley Clark (whom I found quite handsome –in the interest of full disclosure) was also hand picked by the Clintons as the ‘anti-Dean’ –with full knowledge that he didn’t have a shot in hell. It is no coincidence that it was Clark that leaked that the “Kerry intern problem will cause Kerry’s candidacy to implode” to 12 top media outlets, “off the record”, on the day that he bowed out of the race…This failed because the Kerry intern story was never pursued by the mainstream media.

Kerry’s poll numbers are quite close –if not even with Bush’s and this is a problem for Hillary. If Kerry wins (god forbid) and has a 2-term Presidency (shudder) it will be 2012 –at that point Edwards is the likely nominee and if he gets 8 years (arggh) it puts us at 2020 –which makes Hillary 73 years old.

She needs Bush to win this election. There are many Democrats that would be very hesitant to vote for a woman president (think teamsters-roofers-plumbers unions), BUT if Bush gets 4 more years the hate on the left will be at historical highs and they would vote for Forest Gump if he ran as a Democrat in ’08. Add Trouser-Gate and my scenario is all but written in stone. This info (the stealing of national archives) was NOT leaked by republicans…Karl Rove is WAY too intelligent for that (call him the devil, but he is smart as hell). The White House had the 9/11 report before the public did and knew that there was nothing damning to the Administration in it. If they were going to leak this they would have held on to it until the weekend before the election (just like the Gore campaign did with Bush’s DUI). SO either the Clintons’ leaked (likely) it or Kerry’s campaign leaked it (Kerry denies knowing about it), figuring better now than later and thinking they could use the convention to make people forget that Sandy Berger was a Kerry campaign foreign policy advisor. The 9/11 report did enough damage to Burglar as it was (4 denied attempts to get Bin Laden) –so what was in those papers? It’s going to be fascinating to watch what else is leaked “by the republican attack machine” (AKA Hillary) to hurt Kerry’s chances in the months ahead. (*for the record –Kerry & Terry McAwful DO NOT get along and Kerry has also made subtle comments about replacing him…bad move).

Scenario #2: Kerry wins

Is it worth Bush winning if it all but guarantees a Hillary presidency in ‘08? Would we be better of with 4 years of Kerry? Now some of you may say if Kerry screws up too bad Hillary can run against him for the nomination on ’08, BUT if it was a democrat in office that screwed up another democrat has a slim to none chance of getting elected –history shows this and Hillary knows it!

Do you see the dilemma? Kerry now or Hillary later…Who would be the least destructive of the two? Hillary may become a hawk to prove that she isn’t a weak woman. If she is elected she will want a two-term Presidency, so she may shift to the center like ‘magical me’ did when he was President.

This is why Hillary didn’t leave Bill throughout all of his shenanigans. This is the grand plan. There is NO way she is going to let some insignificant senator from Massachusetts take it away from her…

A little something for everyone (on both sides of the isle) to contemplate as we go into the week of the Convention…and head into the election…should be fascinating!


Kat said...

By the way. Happy Birthday. I feel for you. Except last year, they stopped carding me for cigarettes. Bummer.

In regards to Hillary. I really agree with you. Seriously. I have always admired her for being one hell of a tuff cookie. A woman who has "made it" however that's been done. On the other hand, her government health plan and the comment the other week about taking some money back from people "for the greater good" scared the crap out of me too. I am not so attached to my desire to someday see a woman in office that I would vote for her, just because. Give me Condi Rice. Her I'd vote for.

Frankly, party in fighting can be a big sabatouer of success, although I noticed that they are all trying to be "happy, happy".

Love the "you might think Karl Rove is the devil" comment. LOL I was having a conversation with someone the other day about him. That was a couple blog posts back on my own, titled "Excuse Me?" Basically, the person said it was ok that Michael Moore lied/omitted stuff in his documentary because it was the dems way of combating Karl Rove and companies propaganda. Now you know where "Excuse Me?" came from.

Did I ever tell you I was a democrat? Then I grew up, bought a house, made more than $10 an hour, got a brain. what can I say?

ALa said...

"If you're not a liberal when you're 20, you have no heart. If
you're not a conservative when you're 40, you have no head."
Winston Churchill

justrose said...

I feared the liberal backlash, but ALa71 authorized my reprinting this quote of my dad's:

A conservative is a liberal that's been mugged.

Tammi said...

NOW I'm frightened. I cannot tell you how terrifying a thought it is to me, President (H) Clinton. **shudder**

And I have to admire your thought process. I never looked at it in that vein.

The best thing is for Bush to win (of course) but in light of your scenerios it's a bonus because:

1) the economy is turning around, it will just take time for everyone to have to acknowledgeit

2) we are making serious progress in the GWoT. We HAVE to finish what we started in Iraq in order for the results to be seen. IOW - we need the time

3) In 4 years there will be another strong Republican candidate. I can't say who I think it will be, I haven't decided on my opinion on that yet. Too focused on right now (sorry, I know that's short sighted of me).

As to full disclosure - I have to admit, there is no admiration for this woman in one piece of my being. Yes, she's a tough cookie, but look at the people she has hurt in the process. Her ideas - scary doesn't begin to cover it. Plus, I have friends that know her personally, and she is not a nice lady. Not at all.

Anyway - I loved this post. I'm becoming a huge fan! :-)

RBP said...

Don't worry one iota about Hillary running in 2008. Kerry will win in November! He will win unless:
1. There is another terrosist attack in this country and swing voters are scared back into the GOP's arms.
2. We "find" Osama Bin Laden surprisingly in October a week before the election. (I'm sure they have him at an undisclosed location just waiting for the right time.)
3. Or Kerry decides to throw out the first pitch at another Major League Baseball game.
Barring any of these three things, you have nothing to worry about. What you should be worried about is the Chelsea factor. One thing Dubya has taught us, having a dad as a former president along with his politically connected friends, can get you anywhere, including the White House.

~Jen~ said...

....from lucianne's message board today...

Here's a tidbit reporter by -- who else -- a blogger named John Tabin []:

I can confirm, via a very reliable source, that conservative bomb-thrower Ann Coulter will be writing from the Democratic Convention for USA Today's op-ed page. For the Republican convention, they're sending none other than-- yup, some of you have already guessed it -- Michael Moore.

This is going to be interesting....

~Jen~ said...

...and I SPOKE TOO SOON!!!

Just got this from drudge -


USA Today editors have spiked a daily convention column they commissioned from conservative controversialist Ann Coulter, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

Coulter filed her first report from Boston Sunday night, only to be told hours later that editors found it "unusable" and "not funny."

"Apparently no one at USA TODAY had ever read Ann Coulter before!" Coulter, who has sold nearly a million copies of her various works and his written a syndicated column for five years, said from Boston.

How much do you want to bet that the Michael Moore column will still happen...

ALa said...

JFM: I wouldn't be too sure...HATE doesn't win an election when there is no passion for your nominee --Republicans learned this the hard way in 1996...We wanted Clinton out with a passion BUT where not at all enthused about Dole.

Jen: Did you know that Drudge and Ann C. have apartments in the same bldg. in Miami. It's stupid to even put M. Moore in competition with Ann Coulter--she is a Constitutional Lawyer and he is...I don't know--and expert eater I guess.

this we'll defend said...

I'm a constitutional lawyer and she can - well, nevermind.

Just to show how silly our partisan hate between the parties is, for those of you who follow CBFTW's site he is ok. After the gate bombing in Mosul some of us were a little nervous, but he popped up with a post and is ok. Thank God. That kid has really gotten to this old soldier (is 37 old? It probably is to him). 3 US soldiers were wounded, probably from his unit. And he is considering re-enlisting. I joined the Army in 1985 and the people in the Army have amazed me every day since then. Every damn day.

this we'll defend said...

Update on the "terror in the skies" article (link found at

Undercover federal air marshals on board a June 29 Northwest airlines flight from Detroit to LAX identified themselves after a passenger, "overreacted," to a group of middle-eastern men on board, federal officials and sources have told KFI NEWS.

The passenger, later identified as Annie Jacobsen, was in danger of panicking other passengers and creating a larger problem on the plane, according to a source close to the secretive federal protective service.

"The lady was overreacting," said the source. "A flight attendant was told to tell the passenger to calm down; that there were air marshals on the plane."

The middle eastern men were identified by federal agents as a group of touring musicians travelling to a concert date at a casino, said Air Marshals spokesman Dave Adams.

Jacobsen wrote she became alarmed when the men made frequent trips to the lavatory, repeatedly opened and closed the overhead luggage compartments, and appeared to be signaling each other.

"Initially it was brought to [the air marshals] attention by a passenger," Adams said, adding the agents had been watching the men and chose to stay undercover.

Jacobsen and her husband had a number of conversations with the flight attendants and gestured towards the men several times, the source said.

"In concert with the flight crew, the decision was made to keep [the men] under surveillance since no terrorist or criminal acts were being perpetrated aboard the aircraft; they didn’t interfere with the flight crew," Adams said.

The air marshals did, however, check the bathrooms after the middle-eastern men had spent time inside, Adams said.

FBI agents met the plane when it landed in Los Angeles and the men were questioned, and Los Angeles field office spokeswoman Cathy Viray said it's significant the alarm on the flight came from a passenger.

"We have to take all calls seriously, but the passenger was worried, not the flight crew or the federal air marshals," she said. "The complaint did not stem from the flight crew."

Federal agents later verified the musicians’ story.

'We followed up with the casino," Adams said. A supervisor verified they were playing a concert. A second federal law enforcement source said the concert itself was monitored by an agent.

"We also went to the hotel, determined they had checked into the hotel," Adams said. Each of the men were checked through a series of databases and watch-lists with negative results, he said.

The source said the air marshals on the flight were partially concerned Jacobsen’s actions could have been an effort by terrorists or attackers to create a disturbance on the plane to force the agents to identify themselves.

Air marshals' only tactical advantage on a flight is their anonymity, the source said, and Jacobsen could have put the entire flight in danger.

"They have to be very cognizant of their surroundings," spokesman Adams confirmed, "to make sure it isn't a ruse to try and pull them out of their cover."

~Jen~ said...

This we'll defend - I freak out every time I don't see a new post from CBFTW in the morning. I think we all do. When I heard about the car bomb this morning I was frantic. FRANTIC.

37 is NOT old. 40 is the new 30 ya know. (At least that's what I keep telling myself as I get closer and closer to it...)

Tammi said...

I too was very relieved to see a post from CB. I think he's gotten to more people than he realizes.

And about that 40 being the new 30. Please say's it's true. It will make the 50 easier to handle in a few years. 37 old?!? What I wouldn't give.......

justrose said...

I fourth or fifth my relief at seeing cb's post today. I was really worried.

justrose said...

ps TWD: you don't look a day over 25. You just THINK older.

ALa said...

Maybe I just telling myself this too, but age is TRULY a state of mind (look at Sharon Osbourne!)...I am way younger @ 33 than my mom was @ 23 (I'm sure she'd be thrilled to read that....)
I was really glad to hear that CBFTW was OK too! I said that the one thing that sucks about reading his blog is if he doesn't post or is late posting I have to keek checking every half hour--his mom must be a wreck...I wonder if he told his parents about the site?

Kat said...

This we'll defend...

I have a serious problem with that story and the air marshall's comments about the jacobsens and their reactions. First, in todays world, when you see something weird, is their any such thing as an "over reaction"? Seriously, I think we all know that many criminals have gotten away with things, like abducting children, murder, rape, etc, because somebody who did hear or see something, didn't pay attention, felt it wasn't any of their business or did not take it seriously until it was too late.

Personally, as a frequent flier, I can understand their angst. I had posted my own comments on this subject a few days ago. I am to the point now, that whenever someone gets up and goes to the bathroom or there is a lot of activity going on, I am watching who, what, when and where. I do NOT intend to be crashed into a building or blown up in mid air if I can help it. My dog would be an orphan.

Seriously, by these people posting this kind of article about the jacobsens "over reaction", we are not fostering the awareness that our citizenship should have of the current dangers. Far from it, this thing may keep people from actually reporting anything they see as suspicious for fear that they will be ridiculed.

It is a delicate balancing act I know between keeping a vigilant population and causing panic, but I cannot like that article nor the condescending tone of the Air marshalls. Basically, their response is a defensive response because they feel they are under attack for not doing something. What they should have done was to keep thanking the jacobsens for their diligence while repeating the truth of the situation. Painting someone as "over reacting" is a sure way not to get what we want.

leftyjones said...

I want to wish you a happy birthday A!! I will say post nice things about you on here serve as your gift from me. That alone may increase your traffic!
I also wanted to share my amusement at the picture of the Clinton's posted above. Tonight I will also give you a second gift and post a political picture on my blog that should make you laugh so hard that years come off of your life.
That is....if you are as good at laughing at your republican ways as you claimed to be earlier today at Jen's.

this we'll defend said...


I agree that it is complacency that can kill. I think that it is ok for the air marshals to respond as they did in this case because the Jacobsen's seem to insist the authorities ignored a threat when it was Ms. Jacobsen's over-reaction on the plane that put everybody at risk.

She is fixated on "middle eastern men" as the threat despite evidence to the contrary. As I pointed out in my post under "random thoughts" racial profiling at airport security will help, not hurt, a terrorist attack. As a journalist reporting on airport security she should know this (or learn this). In a follow-on article she quotes approvingly a pilot who says

"I've observed matronly looking grandmothers practically disrobed at security check points and five-year-old blond boys turned inside out, while Middle Eastern males sail through undetained.

"We have little to fear from grandmothers and little boys. But Middle Eastern males are protected, not by our Constitution, but from our current popular policy of political correctness and a desire to offend no one at any cost, regardless of how many airplanes and bodies litter the landscape."

What frightens me is Ms. Jacobsen and that pilot. As I explained, the policy is NOT based on political correctness but on a reality that terrorism comes in all guises. Stop checking over grandmothers and the terrorists will either find a willing participant who is a grandmother or they will plant explosives on her without her knowledge. Check out only middle-eastern males and a blond-haired blue-eyed Bosnian islamic fundamentalist will breeze on through to the seat next to you. Or a christian nut-job like Tim McVeigh.

If Ms. Jacobsen is going to report on something like this she might want to responsibly learn about the threat this nation faces instead of blaming the authorities for not locking up middle eastern men for the crime of being middle eastern men. Thanking her for her "diligence" would have been inappropriate in her case.

~Jen~ said...

I hope you had a happy birthday!!!!!

Kat said...

This we'll defend...

You sounded just like a defense lawyer. LOL

The witness is now the criminal. Check that.